>In modern printers (2200 and subsequent), this Forum's complaints >... almost always involve non-OEM inks instead of Epson's ... Most of us have no serious trouble with MIS inks. They are certainly not perfect, but you'd need a proper sample of Epson pigment users to see what, if any, clogging rate differential there is. As a practical matter, we wouldn't use the MIS inks if they were too much of a problem. I've never had a serious clog that was due to the third party inks. Nonetheless, to hedge my bet I've made sure that there is a UC-based formula for the MIS formulas I come up with. I published the UC UT7 formula. I won't use it unless I have to, however, because it is not only more expensive, but it is also not as lightfast. >The real arguments for non-OEM seem to be short-term savings (until >system failures) and, for those who insist, non-bronzing glossies. The dedicated B&W inksets still have an edge in image quality. For example, the UT7 light warm gray is a bit lighter than a 50:50 mix of Light Black and clear base. The UT-FS(N) M & Y position inks are even lighter. The FS-Y, the lightest, can be used in a UT7 mix if one wants even a lower level of dots than the UT7 already delivers. >It doesn't seem to be a tone issue...QTRgui and other excellent >approaches and applications provide fine B&W tone control, >maximum Dmax and true grays with OEM. QTR and IJC are great tools. However, they are still limited by what the color inkset can to. For example, they cannot deliver matte and glossy printing with OEM inks without changing the black ink. The MIS inksets can. This is a huge issue for large format printers. > the probably-more-archival (per Wilhelm)OEM pigments? MIS inks win in my fade tests. See also Livick's tests at http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg2d2.htm. About 1/3 down the page he tests a 1280 with the last generation of MIS UT1. A coated print was rated at 681 years. His 9600 results are just below these, and none are close. Since the test above, the MIS formulas have eliminated the weakest color pigment that was used in the neutral mix. They now use no magenta, using instead a clone of the R800 blue. This is a much more lightfast pigment that further distances the dedicated B&W MIS inks from the UC + RIP combo, which do not use this new pigment. In short, there are some very good reasons to use the MIS dedicated B&W inksets even aside from the huge cost savings. I have a reason that is a little more psychological than the objective facts above. My B&W productivity goes down when I also have color available. I can't help myself from "wasting" time shooting flowers, pretty sunsets, and other subjects just due to their color. In short, color is a distraction that, in the long run, hurts my B&W, which is what I'm ultimately interested in and prefer. In this regard, the more people that use the OEM inksets and color digital cameras the better. If they are like me, it probably lowers the competition in the B&W fine art market. Paul www.PaulRoark.com Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
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RE: [Digital BW] most grief due to non-OEM?
2005-02-28 by Paul Roark
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