Digital BW, The Print

Thanks Paul, I always appreciate your honesty and experience.

John



-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <
paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> John,
> 
> I can't imagine you'd damage your printer by trying the UC yellow.  I run
> MIS, UC and Archival inks through all the smaller printers, and they all
> seem very similar and compatible.  I would guess the downside is simply 
that
> it won't give you the reds you want due to the Archival magenta still being
> there.
> 
> I wonder what Epson did when they "retrofitted" the printers for the UC inks
> -- besides make money on the process.  The UC inks carry a higher load of
> pigs, so the viscosity might be a bit higher.  However, from my
> measurements, all these inks are fairly close.  The only higher viscosity
> ink I've run into was the magenta.  The MIS 7600 M was a bit too high for
> the 1280, thus the "GP" inkset.  It didn't damage the printers as far as I
> know.  The yellow is not that likely to have too high a viscosity because it
> is the lightest (specific gravity) of the bunch.
> 
> I'm not familiar with the 10000, so I don't know what problems you might
> have with chips, etc.
> 
> Good luck with the experiment.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: john dean [mailto:deanwork2003@y...]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:25 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Substituting the Yellow CF ink in 10K for Yellow UC
> > or Lyson CP
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ( Sorry to clogging up this site talking about color pigments, it is just
> > that this is the most
> > intelligent and useful sites I've encountered. I'll try to end this topic
> > now)
> > 
> > 
> >  "I suspect you could just use the UC yellow and not do any harm to
> > anything."
> > Paul R.
> > 
> >  I guess that is the million dollar question for me right now.
> > 
> >  Paul this is what I would like to do to avoid changing the inkset
> > altogether. Maybe I
> > could use the Ultrachrome M Black or Ebony as well. But my primary
> > challenge is not
> > permanence beyond Ultrachrome or the original CF K ink, but reducing
> > metamerism in the
> > warm colors while also giving much greater saturation in those colors that
> > contain yellow. I
> > would have to come up with a chipped 10K cart and fill it with UC yellow
> > which wouldn't
> > be easy of course.
> > 
> > I guess what I don't understand at all is why I haven't heard others
> > talking about this
> > change. There are thousands of us out there that have fine running stable
> > 10K machines
> > that perform outstandingly except in this yellow channel oddity and Epson
> > only
> > "retrofitted" these machines for a very short period of time to Uc. Now
> > they want you to
> > replace the printer. They are so much faster than the 9600.
> > 
> > The short of the long of it is I would like not to have to completely
> > change over to Lyson's
> > Cave Paint, though that is a very strong possibility. Now that I work with
> > the 9600 I just
> > can't live with these CF reds anylonger, especially on rc media with
> > skintones.
> > 
> > But if I end up wrecking my heads on a printer that is out of warranty,
> > that would be worse
> > than leaving the Epson inks behind altogether in favor of Cave Paints.
> > 
> > Is there any place that I can check to see if anyone has tried
> > substituting the yellow or
> > even the black channel on this inkset and leaving the others in place? I
> > bet someone has.
> > 
> > Thanks again,
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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