Paul Roark wrote: > >Daniel Staver wrote: > > > > Ernst wrote: > >>... Black dye gets more >>Dmax because it doesn't reflect the light as even the black ink has >>transparency and the light penetrates the paper deeper and deeper while >>it is still surrounded by black dye, it is then only reflected when >>white paper is reached. Scattered and what is left of the light it has >>to return to the surface again following the same path through the black >>dye. >> >> > >That's an interesting observation. I had not considered the transparency >factor. Some to consider the main difference between pigments and dyes to >be the transparency of the final colorant. However, in my reading on water >color pigments, it appears that transparency is an independent variable that >is also a characteristic of some pigments. So, while carbon is rather >opaque, other pigments have varying degrees of transparency. > >Perhaps this explains how the cyan or blue pigments with relatively low >density actually increase the dmax of the carbon black inks. If this is the >case, then what we may want is the darkest pigment over coating that has >high transparency. Consistent with this, phthalocyanine (probably cyan >pigment) has relatively high transparency. > > > > > >>I'm already getting quite close to Generations black on matte papers >>with Eboni so I'm not interested. >> >> > >I agree. Have you tried a dark cyan overcoat? > > I will try that. But an overcoat of cyan pigment on a black pigment layer isn't producing a black dye layer though. One of my concerns with colored overcoatings is that they may increase metamerism. The Epson color head arrangement does something like that already with the KCMcmY order in undirectional mode, of course there's weaving done so it isn't Y totally on top and in bidirectional it is totally compensated. Getting a true overcoat in one printrun is not really possible. In sikscreen color printing the color order can be varied for certain images, laying down yellow as the last color always gives a sheen on the CM(K) that I think will cause metamerism. But in that case it is a very pronounced thick layer on layer stack. > > > > >>There's a new pigment for paints recently developed that has an >>extremely cracked surface, the cracks do something similar as the dyes,... >> >> > >But wouldn't the cracks also let oxygen in and cause the fading to be >faster? > > Any surface increase will result in extra gas-, humidity-, light- related fading. Not to mention staining by air pollution. But that's not different from micro porous coatings. But there are more Dmax effective micro textures than we have today. The only way to achieve something like the above surface in inkjet printing is with a paper coating that has the same texture. The differences in Dmax of existing matte paper coatings with the same inkload show that there is more than just the inkload. It wasn't actually a new pigment on its own but a surface coating system. Tried to find the original article (slashdot.org I believe) but failed so far. Found all kinds of interesting articles though and one on fungi in optical systems I was looking for some time ago but didn't find then :-) Ernst
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Re: [Digital BW] GLOP for matte prints?
2005-03-16 by Ernst Dinkla
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