Digital BW, The Print

Some Discussion on this point took place a few weeks ago on this forum under the thread: 

"Sloppy..." do a search of past threads in archive if you want to read more views.

Steadman 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bernie Ess 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 3:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: black print border and photographers hell


  Thanks Alan, yes it is true I have thought of scanning a negative bigger
  than its actual size - this gives a rather good looking black frame, but it
  was on a cheap Epson flatbed with  flimpsy plastic carrier.

  I will soon get a Polaroid 120 or Minolta Pro and I guess they just won´t
  let this option - I could still try out the layer blending option, I had
  thought out this way, just hadn´t thought it to an end.

  Mark, maybe your answers were more joking than serious, but I don´t really
  understand your point here: "fake" - border or not fake. If you are really a
  purist, I guess you really should *never ever* touch the Photoshop curve
  tool or transform a colour neg into b&w. But talking of Henri CB, in a
  documentary I recently saw about the man, they were preparing his
  photographs for a book.... on a *PowerMac* that came straight from hell.
  and - beware - the guy was using the masking tool he was enhancing things
  like tones, contrast - you could well see the photoshop interface etc. HCB
  was standing next to him - so don´t overdo....

  Photography - specially b&w is an illusion itself - the world is different
  than b&w - and the whte space around the photograph as much as the black
  border give it its weight and balance it on the white surface - the photo is
  the photo, the black frame and the white space is what the photographer
  adds - so what?
  And what about the thin straight and cold photoshop line? Straight from hell
  too...

  greetings from Bernhard who agrees to go to photo hell if they give him his
  darkroom frame in his lifetime ...



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Sanders-Herring" <alaneileen@...m>
  To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 5:20 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: black print border
  >
  > Bernard,
  > If you're willing to tempt the Photo
  > Gods(ignoring Mark's warning) and come over to
  > the Dark Side as I have, here's what works for
  > me.
  > Like you, I've always liked the rough edge you
  > can in the darkroom. It seems like the ones I've
  > seen from the plug-ins look contrived and
  > unnatural. What I did was scanned a silver print
  > with an edge that I liked. Then in PhotoShop I
  > dragged my new image onto the one with the good
  > edge, sized it to fit and blended the two with a
  > layer mask. Simple and easy.
  > I recently had a few prints in a group show at a
  > local gallery that used this technique. Everyone
  > assumed they were silver prints. (OK, Mark, so
  > maybe I won't get into Photo Purist Heaven, but
  > do I get points for still using Tri-X? )
  >
  > Alan
  >



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