Digital BW, The Print

Thanks Diane, very helpful.

> I may not have understood your question.  I use PKS as my sharpening tool, so
> there is no other sharpening (AN AHA!!!! moment here----while writing the
> second paragraph it just occurred to me that you may be using Photokit and not
> PKSharpening--so there would be our communication differences).  Nonetheless,
> I'll go through how I would work through this.
> 
> I don't scan but rather shoot in RAW, convert, do all my processing in PS,
> then I do a Capture and Creative sharpening in PKS, leaving all my sharpening
> layers intact and save as a .psd file (I generally lower my opacity on the
> Creative layer---but judge it at 100% pixels while working on it).  Others may
> do the 'Capture' sharpening before touching the file otherwise.  If I'm
> printing from QTR things would change about here (a conversion to gray-Lab
> since PKS won't work except in RGB).
> 
> If I were using NI, I would do that prior to my Capture and Creative
> sharpening.  This is just me, but I would do my NI from a duplicate image
> copy, then bring it in and layer it under the NON-NI file and use masks to
> selectively choose where NI is needed (for my work, its usually shadows only).
> Then I would use PK Capture and PK Creative (or, depending upon the image, I
> may use PK sharpening brushes)--I usually find that I need to lower the
> opacity of Creative to around 60-70%.  PK Sharpening is done in a number of
> layers so I use masking where necessary to use sharpening and the amount where
> I want it (or, as I said, use the sharpening brushes).    I save this file as
> a .psd file.  When I am ready to print or upload to gallery, I resize and
> sharpen accordingly in PK Output (again, judging from 100% pixels as to the
> opacity of the layers).
> 
> BTW--I don't have NI as plugin, but standalone 'cheapie'.  I do so little
> noise removal--between the RAW converters good handling of it and being able
> to convert multiple files and use blending AND the low noise/high ISO with
> curret cameras I don't feel the need of the more 'advanced' versions.
> 
> Hope I have this correct--I reread it and think it is LOL.
> 
> Diane
> -----------
> Diane B. Fields
> picnic@...
> photo site  http://www.pbase.com/picnic
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Steve Smith
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:13 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Off topic: photokit and neat image.
> 
> 
>   Diane  thanks for your reply I was under the impression that I was going to
>   be doing a lot more masking than I did in photo kit alone. A more precise
>   question would be how  and when to use these two together at the beginning
>   of the work flow. Which one to use first and how to combine neat with the
>   capture sharpen. I teach digital photo classes and have a good idea about a
>   work flow for digital camera files. I am looking specifically for advise on
>   how to use these two with color and black white scans- medium format and
>   4x5. 
>   * Do you sharpen before PK?
>   * Do you turn down smoothing in PK?
>   * How do you sharpen after PK and Neat?
> 
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