Digital BW, The Print

Got it. Good point. Thanks. Walker

On Apr 4, 2005, at 09:12 PM, Roy Harrington wrote:

>
>
>  The basic, low-level commands to the 4000 do not allow you to use
>  both matte K and photo K on the same page.� It has nothing to do with
>  any of the RIPS.� All drivers or RIPS treat the printer as a 7 ink 
> printer
>  while printing a page.� The selection of which black is to be used is
>  determined in the initial setup for a page -- once the black is 
> selected
>  only that black ink can be used for the entire page.�� This is not 
> something
>  that can be gotten around unless Epson changes their firmware in a way
>  that would be incompatible with the existing interface -- so it's 
> unlikely.
>
>  BTW, this is in contrast to the R800 which allows all 8 inks to be 
> used on a page.
>
>  Roy
>
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
>  <scho@m...> wrote:
>  > I think Roy and Joe will have to answer this question.� Colorburst 
> is
>  > also a true CMYK RIP but apparently they have also not found a way 
> to
>  > use a dual K mode (see comment in link below) with the 4000.
>  >
>  > http://tinyurl.com/6lxe6
>  >
>  > Carl
>  >
>  > On Apr 4, 2005, at 7:36 PM, Walker Blackwell wrote:
>  >
>  > >
>  > > I don't know about IJC, but I believe QTR doesn't bypass the 
> engine
>  > > inside the printer that converts from RGB -> CMYK. Thus, the 
> actual
>  > > firmware inside the printer doesn't let the double k printing. 
> You'll
>  > > need a true CMYK RIP to run duel k because it bypasses the engine
>  > > inside the printer . . . + the RIP needs to let you duplicate 
> channels.
>  > >
>  > > Am I right?� Correct me if I'm wrong on this point QTR people.
>  > >
>  > > take care, Walker
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > On Apr 4, 2005, at 06:27 PM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>  > >
>  > >> Is the inability to simultaneously utilize the two K positions 
> of the
>  > >>� 4000 using either QTR or IJC/OPM a gimp based limitation that 
> other
>  > >>� RIPs do not have?
>  > >>
>  > >>
>  > >>� On Apr 4, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Walker Blackwell wrote:
>  > >>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> Agreed. The difference between Matte K and Photo K is not 
> dilution.
>  > >>> It's the chemical makeup and how it lays on the paper . .� . . .
>  > >>> Therefore, it doesn't really work. Yes. StudioPrint does give 
> you
>  > >>> access to all eight tanks and you could double your Black ink 
> and
>  > >> run
>  > >>> both K channels at once . . . So Tri-K is an option. I guess
>  > >>> StudioPrint + other RIPs support tri-tone black inks + CMLmCLcY
>  > >> setups
>  > >>> . . . That's an option. And it would make wonderful� prints . . 
> .
>  > >> QTR?
>  > >>> What do you think?
>  > >>>
>  > >>>
>  > >>> <snip<
>  > >>>> � But the question is whether or not they have bypassed the MK 
> vrs
>  > >> PK
>  > >>>> � limitation and truely given you access to do whatever you 
> want
>  > >> with
>  > >>>> � all 8 tanks. It would take a 4000/StudioPrint user to tell 
> us.
>  > >>>> � Additionally, if one were to do a tri-K, plus all the UC 
> color
>  > >> inks
>  > >>>> � (which 8 channels would allow) I would think Cone and MIS 
> have
>  > >> some K
>  > >>>> � and lighter K ink sets far more applicable than the Epson 
> Mk, Pk,
>  > >> LtK
>  > >>>> � set. The density spread of those inks would not take the best
>  > >>>> � advantage of a smooth dot free 3 part K.
>  > >>>> � Tyler
>  > >>>>
>  >��
>  >��
>  >
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