Digital BW, The Print

WHAT??  You misquoted.  I didn't write all of that; just up to the "GGG"

Seth 

==-----Original Message-----
==From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
==[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
==Behalf Of Douglas Meeuwsen
==Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:07 PM
==To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
==Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: If you print and sell black and 
==white prints, please read this thread
==
==
==wow.....isn't this just a bit snooty?
==On Apr 21, 2005, at 6:03 AM, Seth wrote:
==>
==>  ALSO, Walmart/CVS/Costco, etc. use it for amateur stuff 
==for a reason. 
==> It's
==>  usually high contrast in addition to gloss.  Both tend to 
==make up for 
==> the  failings of amateur cameras, plastic lenses, etc.  
==They enhance 
==> otherwise  softer images. That, and the ability to treach a 
==chimpanzee 
==> to run the  machine, make for cheap sales. <GGG?
==> C'mon, I know lots of people that are smart, and have 
==taste, and have 
==> seen photographs in galleries, and read lenswork magaizine, 
==and also 
==> like a nice glossy print. I also think that glossy prints 
==many times 
==> look just better, and more effective. The main problem is 
==that usually 
==> an inkjet glossy print is some combination of the following 
==problems:
==> 1) way too glossy, 2) bronzing like crazy like it was 
==sprinkled with 
==> glitter,  3) suffering from gloss diferential, where some parts are 
==> glossy and others are dull. All of these are fixable. using 
==Glop, and 
==> pauls workflow, on costco paper you get a real nice slightly glossy 
==> print that looks a lot like a air dried print, and nothing like a 
==> peice of cheap plastic. Using Premium semi-matte, it is 
==even more like 
==> an air dried print. Not to mention that the image quality 
==and dynamics 
==> are superb. Way better than photo rag lets say (technically 
==speaking).
==> Most people like the look of an air-dried glossy print. Not too 
==> glossy. I have a bunch of them that my dad did when we had the 
==> darkroom setup when I was in junior high. With glop you 
==have a print 
==> with very much the same vibe. The people I show prints to, normal, 
==> intelligent, tasteful people, like them, and when they see 
==the print 
==> they look at the image first. With rag prints, they look at the 
==> surface, then the image. Simply writing off the gloss print as bush 
==> league is writing off a lot of the history of photographic 
==> printmaking. A good matte print is not inherently better 
==than a good 
==> gloss print. Both are good, and they always have been.
==
==>  Since we control that with workflow, we don't need the boost.
==>
==>  I had a woman come through the booth once, take a long 
==hard look at a 
==> matte  print of a lily, framed behind glass, then turn to 
==me and say, 
==> "I am a  watercolor artist too. What type of paints do YOU use?"
==> I have had that happen too with a rag print. Someone did not even 
==> think it was a photograph. I want people to recognize the 
==print as a 
==> photgraphic print. Some images may need a more painterly 
==vibe, and a 
==> fuzzy toothy rag surface might be great. There is room for 
==everything 
==> under the big umbrella of "good taste"
==
==just my two cents worth, Doug M
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