Digital BW, The Print

yeah...sorry about all those arrows....the "snooty" part was just bit 
about the gloss being for images taken with plastic lenses etc......the 
rest was my little bit in resonse......I thought that my words would be 
be in black.....I suck.


On Apr 21, 2005, at 10:21 AM, Seth wrote:

> WHAT??� You misquoted.� I didn't write all of that; just up to the 
> "GGG"
>
>  Seth
>
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>  ==[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On
>  ==Behalf Of Douglas Meeuwsen
>  ==Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:07 PM
>  ==To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  ==Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: If you print and sell black and
>  ==white prints, please read this thread
>  ==
>  ==
>  ==wow.....isn't this just a bit snooty?
>  ==On Apr 21, 2005, at 6:03 AM, Seth wrote:
>  ==>
>  ==>� ALSO, Walmart/CVS/Costco, etc. use it for amateur stuff
>  ==for a reason.
>  ==> It's
>  ==>� usually high contrast in addition to gloss.� Both tend to
>  ==make up for
>  ==> the� failings of amateur cameras, plastic lenses, etc.�
>  ==They enhance
>  ==> otherwise� softer images. That, and the ability to treach a
>  ==chimpanzee
>  ==> to run the� machine, make for cheap sales. <GGG?
>  ==> C'mon, I know lots of people that are smart, and have
>  ==taste, and have
>  ==> seen photographs in galleries, and read lenswork magaizine,
>  ==and also
>  ==> like a nice glossy print. I also think that glossy prints
>  ==many times
>  ==> look just better, and more effective. The main problem is
>  ==that usually
>  ==> an inkjet glossy print is some combination of the following
>  ==problems:
>  ==> 1) way too glossy, 2) bronzing like crazy like it was
>  ==sprinkled with
>  ==> glitter,� 3) suffering from gloss diferential, where some parts 
> are
>  ==> glossy and others are dull. All of these are fixable. using
>  ==Glop, and
>  ==> pauls workflow, on costco paper you get a real nice slightly 
> glossy
>  ==> print that looks a lot like a air dried print, and nothing like a
>  ==> peice of cheap plastic. Using Premium semi-matte, it is
>  ==even more like
>  ==> an air dried print. Not to mention that the image quality
>  ==and dynamics
>  ==> are superb. Way better than photo rag lets say (technically
>  ==speaking).
>  ==> Most people like the look of an air-dried glossy print. Not too
>  ==> glossy. I have a bunch of them that my dad did when we had the
>  ==> darkroom setup when I was in junior high. With glop you
>  ==have a print
>  ==> with very much the same vibe. The people I show prints to, normal,
>  ==> intelligent, tasteful people, like them, and when they see
>  ==the print
>  ==> they look at the image first. With rag prints, they look at the
>  ==> surface, then the image. Simply writing off the gloss print as 
> bush
>  ==> league is writing off a lot of the history of photographic
>  ==> printmaking. A good matte print is not inherently better
>  ==than a good
>  ==> gloss print. Both are good, and they always have been.
>  ==
>  ==>� Since we control that with workflow, we don't need the boost.
>  ==>
>  ==>� I had a woman come through the booth once, take a long
>  ==hard look at a
>  ==> matte� print of a lily, framed behind glass, then turn to
>  ==me and say,
>  ==> "I am a� watercolor artist too. What type of paints do YOU use?"
>  ==> I have had that happen too with a rag print. Someone did not even
>  ==> think it was a photograph. I want people to recognize the
>  ==print as a
>  ==> photgraphic print. Some images may need a more painterly
>  ==vibe, and a
>  ==> fuzzy toothy rag surface might be great. There is room for
>  ==everything
>  ==> under the big umbrella of "good taste"
>  ==
>  ==just my two cents worth, Doug M
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