Digital BW, The Print

Just my opinion, but it seems to me that using fancy words like giclee
or carbon pigment prints is an attempt at covering up and "hiding" the
fact that we are making inkjet prints - why, because we are embarassed
by our media?  i refuse to buy into the gelatin silver crowd's
ascertion that inkjet prints aren't worthy.  make your prints the
absolute best they can be and call them 'archival inkjet prints' with
pride.  only when we've proven the quality of our printing will the
term begin to carry a more positive connotation.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Faye"
<mfp90021@y...> wrote:
> 
> It seems that nobody like Giclee, so what term do you use?  
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
> <deanwork2003@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > I'm not stuck with it. I've been doing this work for artists  for 
> over 5 years and 
> > I've never used the term and never will. It is an embarrassment to
> even think 
> > about using it. In the art world there is always a tendency for
> people to latch 
> > on to a catch phrase in oder to give what they produce some
> credibility, 
> > especially when they don't know much and are more interested in
> marketing 
> > than substance. My old French girlfriend is just giggling out
there
> somewhere 
> > even thinking about me discussing this again.
> > 
> > John ( spurting off again )
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, J Vee
> <j.vee@g...> 
> > wrote:
> > > I agree, but unfortunately that is the term that is understood
by
> most.
> > > Thus, I think we are stuck with it for the time being.  Does
such
> a group as
> > > koloshor mentions exist?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 4/21/05 10:07 AM, "Tyler Boley" <tyler@t...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
"koloshor"
> > > > <wiz@n...> wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > >> > The real "Giclee 101" lesson. If you're going to have a
> group about
> > > >> > the "business of producing ... giclees" (ellipses mine,
> again) you
> > > >> > should learn what producing giclees means.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I wouldn't join it even though I suppose that's what I do,
just
> > > > because the word is proudly used by it.
> > > > Giclees have been given a bad name by a soap opera past, way
> too many
> > > > bad shops, editions made in the thousands that won't last a
> decade,
> > > > not to mention that the name is poorly chosen and displays a
> lack of
> > > > cultural sensitivety. It's stupid, like walking around with
and
> > > > "idiot" sign someone taped to your back, but somehow proud of
> it.
> > > > I would go anywhere near it.
> > > > 
> > > > Tyler
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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