Digital BW, The Print

Julian, 

I know that Mike uses a 7000 (lucky guy).    

But..most of the people on this list use low cost desktop printers.  As I recall this thread began with a discussion of profiles and Piezo as a low cost and economical solution....not really a discussion of 7000 printers or the cost of 7000 software.  

Given that the PiezoBW plugin (using a printer which may cost as low as $99) easily delivers results that compare (indeed may not be differentiated from) the prints off of machines which may cost thousands of dollars (7000 or others)....

I still maintain that the PiezoBW software (with included 30 profiles) is a great bargain.  

If someone wants to spend $6000 on a printer and a RIP....that is fine.  (grin)

IF someone wants to get similar results (prints) and only has a few hundred dollars, I recommend Piezo. 

At least that is how I see it.  (wink)

Steadman
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Julian Thomas 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 4:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Profiles: Are they valuable? Does Piezo have an Advantage? was FS


  Steadman - for a 7000 the Piezo Rip is more than  a few dollars. Mike only
  uses a 7000.

  Julian
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@...>
  To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 7:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Profiles: Are they valuable? Does Piezo have
  an Advantage? was FS


  > Michael...
  >
  > Uhhh..hum....How much is that RIP you mention gonna cost someone?
  >
  > Now compare that to the few hundred dollars for the Piezo plugin.
  >
  > How do they compare?
  >
  > Steadman
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Michael J. Kravit
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:44 PM
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Profiles: Are they valuable? Does Piezo have
  an Advantage? was FS
  >
  >
  >   Steadman,
  >
  >   Of course not being argumantative, I would like to explain to you
  >   that Professional RIP's that cost in the same range as the Piezo RIP
  >   in many cases come with a huge number of canned profiles just as
  >   Piezo does.
  >
  >   For example, the ImagePrint 4.0 software comes with over 30 ink/paper
  >   combinations and is growing every day.
  >
  >   You are correct that Profiling can cost around $100 / paper/ink
  >   combination. If you use 30 papers that can become expensive. BUT,
  >   assuming that at any one time you will be using 4-5 papers, I really
  >   don't see this as a major problem. Not for the professional, and
  >   these RIP's are geared toward the professional.
  >
  >   The point being, when a new paper comes out and we want it, we must
  >   wait for IJM to profile it and publish it. If they were to use ICC
  >   profiles instead of their proprietary ICQ profiles, you could have a
  >   profile within a day or two at a reasonable cost.
  >
  >   Believe me, I am a big fan of the Piezography software. We are not
  >   debating the merits of Piezo vs. Wausatch vs. Best, vs. Image Print
  >   4.0. I am only suggesting that a bit of flexibility would be a
  >   positive for the professional user and IJM atthe same time.
  >
  >   Have you ever seen the layout options afforded by the professional
  >   RIP's? In reading the ImagePrint brochure for example, you can use
  >   their RIP to print Quadtone images and RGB images on different
  >   printers at the same time. That is flexability!  If there is an
  >   inkset that comes out, you just profile it and the RIP will handle
  >   it. That is flexibility.
  >
  >   In the world of digital photography, things change so fast, that
  >   flexibility comes in very handy.
  >
  >   Mike
  >
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