Digital BW, The Print

dfaprinting wrote:

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
><deanwork2003@y...> wrote:
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>>Do you have any reliable suggestions for using 
>>the MIS or Generations G Chrome  pigments in the 10K CF machine? 
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>I have some ideas about building something, but so far it looks like 
>the parts count is too small for the manufacturers to bother getting 
>pricing to me. I have one other lead that I'll follow up later today, 
>but they are from Europe, the other two companies were from USA. So 
>if this happens, more money will be lost to US manufacturers. Too bad 
>since one of the products was a perfect fit.
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>I think I can build something now, but one of the main parts is $166 
>each, and I would need 1 for each color. Doesn't take too long to 
>determine that this just isn't feasible as the fully assembled carts 
>would have to sell around $2000+ per set. If I can't make what I want 
>for a selling price of $500 (maybe up to $650) a set (you supply the 
>empty carts), then it isn't happening.
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>The big problem is going to be testing. I'm not going to run out and 
>buy one of these new Epson printers, or even and "old" 10K. In theory 
>it's a simple matter to make something that will work, in practice it 
>could be different. There are some unknown things about what Epson is 
>really doing to cause the ink to flow, and without having access to 
>one, it may take some work arounds to get a system functional. That 
>said, my percentage of success is pretty high. I could definitely 
>make a passive gravity feed system that would work, but it is going 
>to be bulky and ugly. I try to stay away from the ugly part as much 
>as possible, no systems with tubes stuck through a hole in the top of 
>a bottle for me.
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>And from my past experiences I would suggest the "MIS" inks over the 
>Mediastreet. If you really want to get more performance, you  might 
>consider the UltraPro inks and a RIP (RIP retail is $1450 for 44 inch 
>printers). Did you get the message I sent you off list? It's from 
>this yahoo mail account, so it might have ended up in your trash.
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Some custom tools and a MIS resetter for the chips. Together maybe 70 US 
dollar and an hour work on six carts. 500 ml per cart. The cart valves 
allow many easy refills. I'll return one fixed cart for free per two 
10000CF carts received.

The 9000 CIS systems that I sold were 650 dollar each. 6 ink lines 
directly connected to the internal printer inklines, ink pressure 
equalised by springs underneath the bottles. Instruction CD included 
(Dutch language however). Side kick business though, 13 sold so far with 
no complaints, they even make the 9000s still attractive on the 
secondhand market they told me yesterday. 2200 Euro for a five year old 
9000 with the CIS isn't a bad figure.

Wonder whether the Epson marketing style makes other people too greedy too.

Ernst