Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla
<E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> Tyler Boley wrote:
...
> >Bruce, Todd Gangler here in Seattle is one of the only (perhaps now
> >the only) people making tri-color carbro prints left n the world.
> >Near Ciba gamut and density on beautiful Magnani fine art papers, no
> >glitzy gloss or fake surface.
> >Incredibly beautiful, and inherently photographic. I've never seen
> >anything like them, perhaps old dye transfer.
...
>...If I compare them with intaglio 
> prints (heliogravure, rotogravure, etc) and silkscreen matte blacks (on 
> Arches, Magnani, Fabriano etc) then all the mentioned inkjet matte 
> blacks appear as having more density. Given that, I don't expect much 
> more density in inkjet inks + matte paper coatings. What's the measured 
> density of carbro prints ?

I should have been less imprecise in my rave. I honestly don't know
what the gamut or dmax of the carbros may be. I can only say how they
looked on the wall next to traditional prints. The certainly appeared
more dramatic than even type Cs.
But I could ask Todd, he would probably know.
Also, I believe the pigments have a surface quality of their own, are
translucent (they go down in registered layers) and don't go into the
paper much.

> On the net I see evading descriptions on how 
> black they actually are. The impression of high  black density in a 
> print can be subjective, if that impression is there it is not a bad 
> result either.

At this point I'm only talking subjective, I'd better be clear about that.
One point I was trying to make is that the Matte vrs Glossy may not
always equate to density range, and the experience of an impressive
gamut and dramatic density range on a beautiful paper surface is
beautiful. Hopefully something we can get to one day with inkjet.
Tyler