Digital BW, The Print

Yes, I imagine a QTR + MIS marketing and profiles hookup
might be quite beneficial to both MIS and the QTR folks.

Scott

Ernst Dinkla wrote:

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>>Somehow I think competition could come in the form of supplying
>>more profiles for more papers than Epson would.
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>>Just a silly example, but I've read many posts over recent months
>>about folks wanting to substitute Eboni for a Epsons MK. Then
>>they ask if the Epson profiles will "work" for color stuff, and the
>>answer is "roll your own profiles."
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>>Well, that's silly. The vast majority of of the potential market will
>>never roll their own profiles or buy a densitometer or whatever.
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>>Witness the seeming popularity of the C84/C86 and MIS EZ inks
>>combo.
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>>So what if MIS put together an inkset for the 2200 (2400, etc.)
>>that was less expensive than Epson's, did a better job at B&W
>>printing with QTR, did as good or at least a credible job at color
>>prints, and then came with a little downloadable application that
>>installed a ton of canned profiles (QTR and Epson driver) for a
>>ton of cool papers.
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>>The R&D shouldn't be all that great, and in fact, once the
>>inkset was all in place, I imagine that many folks on this very
>>list would likely contribute profiles for different papers.
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>>I think such a "product" would greatly interest folks who want
>>to use one printer to do dual B&W/color duty, but with a
>>preference for B&W on a variety of papers.
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>>There's all sorts of ways to compete by carving out a niche
>>and growing it.
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>>The C86 idea was very, very cool. I think there's another product
>>"between" that elegant and simple solution and the more involved
>>roll-your-own ink/paper combos and with your own custom profiles.
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>>Scott
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>>Ernst Dinkla wrote:
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>>>Steven Karafyllakis wrote:
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>>>>There is also the price factor-Epson inks will never be reasonably
>>>>priced, that's where they make their money. The real danger here is
>>>>having one company's inks become the defacto standard by which all
>>>>others are judged. Even if some 3rd party inks are better in some
>>>>respect, (eg lifespan) where Epson inks to be perceived as the only
>>>>acceptable standard for fine art inkjets it could become difficult to
>>>>sell prints made with anything else. I expect that's where Epson is
>>>>going with the 'Archival Certification Program' they announced a few
>>>>months back.
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>>>>Steve Karafyllakis
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>>>Which made me suggest to Paul Roark that it is time that MIS together
>>>with one of the art paper manufacturers should have its inks tested by
>>>Wilhelm on a widely used paper. That is the only way to keep some
>>>competition in this business. I also think that we shouldn't hesitate to
>>>add some money too if it is that expensive. In my opinion it should be
>>>Wilhelm who does the testing. That way MIS can ride on teh wave of
>>>Epson's claims as well. One or two papers, a universal quad ink and the
>>>MIS 7600 to check the colors/toners also.
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>>>Ernst
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>There's little doubt in my mind that the  quad inksets of MIS are 
>fadeproof but Epson has a strong marketing point with its "official" 
>Wilhelm numbers. There's no way to get round that other then have them 
>tested by Wilhelm or RIT by the same standard.
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>That isn't all what has to be done. MIS could adopt QTR more than it 
>does now. Bowhaus is already working with Lyson. Offer curves for most 
>models and possibly a cheaper B&W curve creation instrument than the 
>Spectrometers and "secondhand" densitometers now in use. Lots of cheap 
>colorimeters but no cheap densitometer possible today for that simple 
>task ? Streamline their B&W inkline a bit as the variety is overwhelming 
>and with QTR a wider range of models could work with fewer ink types.
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>Ernst
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