Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carolyn Frayn <cafrayn@y...> 
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> hey teach.. you forgot to say who won... don't be shy... :)))))

Honestly, I wish it had been someone else, it would have made it much easier to make my 
point about the state of the art (I was pulling it off until y'all started gabbing). Despite the 
individual, I think the competition result is amazing for us B&W inkjet workers.
Hey, the teach is Dan, taught me, taught most of the stuff that led to much of what people 
here are doing now, and not even aware of it. I should also point out that Steve 
"quadtone4" below was printing quads before me, I met him about when I met Dan.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "John Vitollo" <jvlist@c...>
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> I had the wonderful opportunity to visit Tyler at his Seattle studio a few weeks ago...

thank you for the kind words John. It's such a pleasure to finally get together with people 
we've known for years through these lists.
John moderates another very important list, ScanHi-End, and helped me a great deal when 
I got my Howtek.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" <cj@c...> wrote:
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> The Arches print, by technical standards shared by many photographers,
> would not be considered "good", yet is has a beauty that 1/3 of the
> people responded to...

Clayton, a very interesting and telling experience. I've played with Arches a bit but did not 
take it very far. But it was obvious to me that there was something there, something  
unique that the right imagery could exploit. Recently I played with some Magnani fine art 
papers, also uncoated. Seemed like some real possibilities there too, but quite soft.

I don't want any of my comments to suggest I think matte is "better" than gloss. I have no 
doubt that the right marriage of image and materials with a significantly higher dmax and 
glossier surface could also be extraordinary. Certainly many decades of traditional prints 
proves that. I was pointing out the fact that other possibilities can be clearly impressive to 
a wide variety of people.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "quadtone4" <sdmey4@a...> 
wrote:
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>...The combo was Tyler, Studio Print, Cone Inks, 
> And a 9600& Hahnemuhle paper. Word is Epson(the host of the event)
> wasn't too happy...

well, I seriously doubt that the huge dinosaur eye of Seiko Corporation managed to focus 
on this little event in this mud puddle of a town. The regional Epson rep was quite 
gracious, making note of the fact I do not use UC inks in my chip protected printer, said 
he understood my concerns, and also told me I should be quite pleased with the new 
printers and ink set. I hope to keep that dialogue open with him.
I hope he'd find an interest in what people are doing, and share a mutual interest in 
beautiful prints. Surely people like us represent an insignificant percentage of their 
consumables sales, but represent how amazing and flexible their hardware can be.
There were a few others there with more reason for concern...
Tyler