Digital BW, The Print

But let's not also forget how much true audiophile CD players have advanced
from their origins - including the development of the medium itself to
higher bit rate recordings etc.  Line up the very best of each and it is now
a very tough (I would say impossible) call on sound quality (in all other
respects the "CD" wins).  Listened to a dCS Verdi LaScala/Verona/Elgar Plus
combination recently?

My point is that the new pushes the old to reinvent itself (unfortunately,
though, typically only for a minority prepared to pay up large in order to
make the investment worthwhile) which in turn keeps pressure on the new to
continually improve.  In this case, I don't see the old techniques
disappearing too quickly - but you can be assured that the price will have
to go up dramatically if they are to survive as niche products.  At the end
of the day, people who love the old will have to dig deep and ask how much
are they willing to pay? 2x the new? 3x 5x 10x? And hope there are enough
others alongside them.  And those that love the new will likewise hope that
these people are prepared to pay, for they are dependent on them to keep the
new innovating...We are lucky to be in a period of rapid change and
innovation.


> From: Elwood Spedden <elwood@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:26:53 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Will we be obsolete? More...
> 
> Maybe I'm drawing the analogy too far but, there has
> been more development of analog playback (turntables,
> cartridges etc) since the advent of CD than ever
> before because the people who care supported the
> industry. We realized the "horrible" sound of CD
> compared to quality analog so we continued to buy in
> spite of ever rising prices for such gear. Now in 2005
> vinyl again represents a very substantial market. NOt
> in percentage terms of course because
> non-discriminating i.e. non-educated listeners can buy
> CD for such rock bottom prices so that dominates the
> market statistically. Anyway, my point is that so long
> as there is tremendous advocacy there will be film.
> Fuji, for one, is not going away anytime soon. But our
> choices sadly will be limited.
> 
> Three cheers for the re-emergence of Ilford!!
> 
> Woody Spedden
> 
> --- Martin Carrington <martinc@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> All,
> 
> OT but the situation is analogous to what happened
> when CD's replaced
> analog vinyl LP's - good (rare) LP playback equipment
> far exceeded 
> the sound quality of CD and still does, but LP's
> became marginalized.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Martin
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> Scott McLoughlin 
> <scott@a...> wrote:
>> Right on. Nicely said.
>> 
>> Tyler Boley wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Photography tools evolved for decades and decades
> to the point 
> where
>>> we could capture pretty much anything we wanted,
> and this makes 
> the
>>> art of photography more and more compelling. If
> it's there, and 
> sparks
>>> some idea in a brain, a skilled imager can make it
> happen for us 
> to
>>> consider.
>>> Do we really want to so rapidly abandon these hard
> won tools, so 
> the
>>> manufacturers like Agfa drop as fast as we are
> witnessing, and 
> thereby
>>> suddenly limit the actual pictures we can make? I
> don't want to go
>>> backwards, I want to be able to make any image I
> want. And what 
> really
>>> pisses me off, is that those choices have been
> taken out of my 
> hands.
>>> This evolution is happening in spite of us users,
> not for us, 
> argh!!!!
>>> 
>>> I could not have made this image with the
> technology touted today.
>>> Tyler
>>>