Roy Harrington wrote: > Basically you increase the sensor dynamic range by either: reducing the noise > at the low end and/or increasing the clip point at the high end. The bits of > the A/D have to fine enough to take advantage of the reduced noise at the > low end and coarse enough to not get clipped at the high end. It sounds to me as though we are approaching this from two different perspectives. When you say the bits have to be coarse enough to take advantage of reduced noise, and fine enough not to clip, it sounds to me as though you are saying something about the digital sampling of the signal being read off the sensor. And if I understand correctly you are dead right - there is no point to making the luminous flux density delta per ADU so coarse that the 100 (or whatever) highest ADU values all clip to white. Not only do you throw away values, but you also increase the chances of posterization in the resulting digital image. You state correctly, above, that to increase sensor dynamic range, you can reduce noise. You also say you can increase the clip point at the high end. I'm familiar with using the term "clip" in reference to digital sampling, so it appears as though what you are saying is that to increase dynamic range you should take your highest ADU - 4096, say - and calibrate that to what is detected from a higher luminous intensity (luminous flux per unit solid angle) from a scene at a given EV. Maybe that is what you are suggesting, or maybe not - that's what I'm hearing. Either way: Doing that won't work. Well, I admit it will work in one special case: It will work when your sensor's highest ADU value represents a number of electrons that is less than the full well potential of the sensor. In your terms above, if the "bits of the A/D" are a bit beyond "fine enough," and are in fact too fine, then your digital image won't have the dynamic range it could have had if there were more bits available at the same sampling rate. By sampling rate, I mean electrons per ADU. But if your highest ADU value already represents a number of electrons that is equal to the full well potential of the sensor, then adding bits at the *same* sampling rate buys you nothing. This would be too "coarse" sampling, as you put it, and all those added ADU values would be clipped. Increasing the sampling rate (reducing electrons per ADU) while increasing bits *can* solve this clipping problem - and I'd like to have this in all my cameras. Unfortunately it will not result in greater dynamic range. The reason is that the maximum luminous intensity and the minimum noise recorded by the sensor are both limited at the analog stage. The analog stage is mostly what I've been talking about. We are always, always, always limited by the photosite well. A well can hold between zero and n electrons. If you exceed n, and try to stuff n+x electrons into the well, an average of x electrons will be lost to other parts of the sensor. This is because the well achieves enough voltage to jump the resistant gap between it and another capacitor or some convenient path to ground. In either case, these electrons have overflowed their bucket, and are no longer present in the well when the sensor is read out. In this situation the well is said to be "saturated." This sometimes results in blooming, but it does not result in clipping as I understand the term, because this has happened before any sampling of the well is made; there is no chance for the amplifier output to distort or the ADC to clip as these electrons never get there. So a well can hold between 0 and n electrons. For a big well, n is a larger number; for a small well, n is a smaller number. Quantum efficiency determines how many electrons end up in the well, as a percentage of quanta of photons that are incident upon the photoelectric surface. If the sensor QE is 50%, and 1k photons strike the sensor, then 500 electrons (on average) are dumped into the photosite well. The number of photons striking the sensor is determined by the luminous intensity of the scene. So if we double the EV, we will have 2k photons striking the sensor and 1k electrons in the well. If we double it again, we'll have 4k photons and 2k electrons. Suppose the well capacity is 1k electrons. We've tried to stuff twice that many into the well. Half those electrons will find some other way out of the well, than through the readout amplifiers. Does adding bits to the sampling do anything to recover the lost 1k electrons? The correct answer to this question is "no." The analog limitation of well depth is fundamental and exists because those lost electrons are not amplified and never affect the signal that the ADCs see. And zero is a possible number of electrons in the well. This does not lend itself to useful representation with a proportion, which is probably one reason why dynamic range is specified on sensor spec sheets with luminous flux density and electrons of noise, rather than a ratio. To increase the dynamic range of the sensor, we have to either reduce noise, or increase the saturation point of the well. The latter means increasing the number of electrons it can hold, because that correlates linearly with the maximum brightness in the scene that the sensor can usefully record. What I originally started this discussion with, was a statement that photographers should beware the abuse of bit depth specifications. It does not always tell you anything about the ability to record the dynamic range of a scene, because no matter how many bits you have, the highest n ADUs could all be representing saturated photosite wells that contain no useful information about the scene you've just photographed. I think bit rate is going to be the next great digital camera scam, once everybody gets over the megapixel fetish - it already appears to be happening in the digital back realm. -- Jeff Medkeff Eagle River, Alaska
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Re: [Digital BW] Artifacts with Digital images
2005-07-04 by Jeff Medkeff
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