But in the end one is interested in useable/'manipulable' measurement units - in this case a number truncated to n bits. If the unit of measurement or smallest useable amount is large there is slop in the bucket that can't be used. That is, even with two identical and identically filled buckets, if you can access one with a smaller cup than the other then you have more units to play with and less useful water that can't be used. (Your bucket is only as good as the number of complete measurement units it holds - there are no fractional units beyond that.) The debate comes down to, I think, whether you are interested in the dynamic range of the sensor or the useable dynamic range in levels provided to the user - how many levels are available per f-stop and at what point are there not enough (or indeed less than one in which case none). I think this is the point that Normen Koren is trying to make when he discusses dynamic range and bit depth. The question is whether 12 bits is more than enough (a small enough unit of measure) to make full use of the dynamic range of the pixel well and whether additional bits would simply store noise or add value. I think most would agree that 8 bits aren't enough to provide the user with the full capability of a 35mm digicam's sensor and that 12 is better. My question is whether 16 (as used by some manufacturers) is better still (and hence increases available dynamic range) or, in the case of a 35mm digicam sensor, a waste of time. > From: dfaprinting <dfaprinting@...> > No matter what method you use, you can not fill the bucket past full! > Your dynamic range (excluding noise) is the bucket size from empty to > full. You can not get a bucket that is less than empty. You can not > get a bucket that is more than full. How you want to count it is up > to you, including whether you consider a part full cup as nothing > (zero) or full (one), when the bucket is full, it will have (n) cups > worth. If you have a bucket that is nearly full, it is up to you to > decide if that last cup has enough water in it to count as full, or > count as empty. > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See ³Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines² in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE ³OWNER² AND > ³MODERATORS² OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE ³OWNER² AND ³MODERATORS² OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: was Artifacts with Digital images- bit depth for dummies
2005-07-04 by Steve Kale
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