Digital BW, The Print

Hi Eric:
I like your reasoning and you're absolutely right about the appearance of 
Seurat paintings --- very "dotty." But I don't think he ever made any black 
and white paintings, did he? I've only seen colored Seurats. And with modern 
inkjets, we don't see any "Seurat-like" dots --- the colors all flow 
together (inspite of what dye-sub diehards say), so I guess I would call a 
color inkjet "Monet-giclee" or maybe (depending on color saturation, of 
course) "Renoir-giclee."
Regards,
Bert

katzung1@...
www.astronomy-images.com
www.visionlightgallery.com/katzung/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Vogel" <evogel@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Black Only Printing


I should have thought that the prints made from the colored pigments
would better be called Seurat-like. If you have never seen a Seurat
painting "in the flesh" you are in for what looks to be a giant
giclee (with well-pigmented paint).

At 10:46 PM 8/7/2005, you wrote:

>Very well said, Woody! I agree with your comments on all points. (And 
>thanks
>to Clayton for his excellent sample BO prints!)
>
>I have to admit that when I look at my BO prints with my 8x loupe and see
>all the isolated dots, I cringe a little. But that is clearly not the way
>the public looks at prints, nor should they. (Not sure how museum curators
>look at them, but then Seurat did pretty well with his dotted paintings.)
>
>That gives me an idea: how about if we call the black only prints
>"Seurat-giclee" prints and price them at twice what we charge for "inkjet"
>prints.  Either that or prohibit viewing from less than 6 inches and
>prohibit loupes in galleries.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bert
>
>katzung1@...
>www.astronomy-images.com
>www.visionlightgallery.com/katzung/
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "woodyspedden" <elwood@...>
>To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 6:06 PM
>Subject: [Digital BW] Black Only Printing
>
>
>Everyone
>
>I recently sent a private email to Clayton Jones regarding BO
>printing in which I was highly complimentary of his work.
>
>He suggested that I should send this to the entire forum so that BO
>Printing can be placed in context with other viable methods. So here
>goes:
>
>Clayton
>
>A while back I purchased three of your BO prints and
>absolutely loved them. (At the time I wasn't embroiled
>in the Black and White Print Forum.)
>
>Once I got involved in the forum I became "concerned"
>as people with far more experience and knowledge than
>I ranted on about "the dots" and how continuously
>toned prints were so much better.
>
>I already had a copy of imageprint, but I purchased a
>copy of QTR from Roy and have spent a large amount of
>my free time for the past month or so developing
>profiles for my most common papers (which quite
>frankly is a good mirror of your "great paper chase."
>
>Today I printed a detailed image on all of those
>papers using my QTR profiles and also with BO. I then
>enlisted my wife and daughters support (independently
>of each other) to evaluate the prints with no
>knowledge of how they had been created. Both very
>quickly picked the BO prints over the toned prints and
>by a wide margin.
>
>The ultimate winners for this image were Premier Art
>Hot Press High WHite Matte, and the Red River Dourian
>Art!
>
>Certainly not that you needed the validation but I for
>one just wanted to thank you for the work you have
>done; communicating the basis for that work; and for
>me providing me with a solid foundation for the
>creation of my images.
>
>By the way, both my wife and daughter raved most about
>the transparency of the images (read the luminousity
>of having the white show through.) To them, and to me,
>the continuous toned prints, by comparison, appeared a
>little "muddy."
>
>Thanks ever so much
>
>Woody Spedden
>
>I offer this as strictly my opinions.
>
>Thanks for reading
>Woody Spedden
>
>
>
>
>
>
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