Digital BW, The Print

I print B&W from my R800 using Epson Premium Glossy, Ultrachrome inks
and a custom ICC profile. To my eye the prints are damn-near neutral,
punchy and don't seem to give anything away to the Ilford Multigrade
prints my wife used to produce in the darkroom. They have none of the
colour shifts and shimmery rainbow look of 2100 (2200) B&W prints. I
realise they're not the same as a fine-art print on a matte paper --
and I do some of that using QTR and Photo Rag on my 2100 -- but to me
they are at least reasonable, if not good, prints. Now I freely admit
that I'm no expert and I'm more than keen to keep learning, so I'm
completely happy to be enlightened about their failings.

andrew

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Typo -- I'm NOT sure there is a good B&W solution for the R800.  Or, to
> avoid misunderstanding, I've never seen a good R800 B&W print.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Paul
> > Roark
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:13 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Intro and question - R800 - BO - K7 - Other?
> > 
> > 
> > Khaled,
> > 
> > I'm sure there is a good B&W solution for the R800.  MIS does sell
a matte
> > black for it (see http://www.inksupply.com/r800ink_org.cfm), but
I'm not
> > sure if it is Eboni.  (I suspect it is.)
> > 
> > If 8x10, A4 is all you need, a C86 (or similar) with MIS EZ inks
or R200
> > with UT2 may be a way to go that is affordable.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > khaledaboumrad
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:31 AM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Intro and question - R800 - BO - K7 - Other?
> > >
> > > Hello to all forum members. My name is Khaled Aboumrad, I'm a
> > > photographer, I'm
> > > Mexican, I live in Paris and I work in black and white. I worked
as a
> > > fashion and comercial
> > > photographer for many years until I got bored of it and decided to
> > > dedicate myself
> > > completely to my personal work. I've been printing traditionally
> > > since I
> > > started in 93 and latelely
> > > I've tried different digital approaches with a few labs around
Paris,
> > > the problem is that it is
> > > too expensive and I can't have as much control as I'd like. I'm in
> > > the process of editing a
> > > new portfolio so I'm looking for a way to print it with the highest
> > > quality possible while not
> > > going broke at the same time.
> > >
> > > I decided to do it myself for this reasons so I've been doing some
> > > trials with my printer
> > > (R800) with no results, later I found Clayton's and Paul's websites
> > > (which I found very
> > > enlightening I must say) and this forum and looked at all the posts
> > > regarding this printer
> > > and it's fake BO etc. so my questions are:
> > >
> > > 1.- Is it possible to print BO using QTR with this printer?
> > >
> > > 2.- Is eboni ink compatible? Or will it clog the print heads?
> > >
> > > 3.- Would it be better to wait for the Piezo K7 inks? (Not good
since
> > > I'm in a hurry to start
> > > printing)
> > >
> > > 4.- Can you suggest other solutions without changing printers?
> > >
> > > What I'm looking for is to be able to print with carbon only inks in
> > > matte paper, as close to
> > > neutral as possible (a little warm is ok), deep deep blacks and
> > > strong fade resistance.
> > >
> > > I appreciate any help or suggestion that you may bring and I'm
> > > looking forward to
> > > contribute to the forum in any way I can.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Khaled
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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