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Re: [Digital BW] Re: B/W on the 9600

2005-09-20 by Steve Kale

William

Dedicated B&W inks are certainly better than your UCs two greyscale inks.
But I also suspect you can get a lot better output than you are currently
with your existing colour setup.  Personally you may find it worth exploring
what you can do with that colour setup and then decide if that passes
mustard before making an additional investment in hardware.  (Or the 9800
will undoubtedly be considerably better at both colour and B&W than the
9600.)  The first thing I would do is swap MIS Eboni ink for your Epson
matte black ink (you can use this for colour work also - just reprofile).
Eboni will produce a better black on matte paper than Epson MK - not
dramatically better but better nonetheless.  Also spend some time with QTR -
it is powerful and cheap ($50).  It allows you complete control over the
individual inks in a 9600, allows you to linearise the greyscale output and
the QTR Create ICC module allows you to profile this output and use CM to
fit images to the print space.  If that still doesn't cut it then it's
either a 9800 (3 K inks) or, as a further step, a dedicated B&W setup with
anything from 3 (UT7) to 7 (Peizo K7) K inks.

Steve


> From: William Wilson <wm.wilson@btopenworld.com>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:32:58 +0100
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: B/W on the 9600
> 
> Hi Bruce
> 
> I must admit using a dedicated B/W would be my first choice and with your
> advice maybe the only route, that's why I signed up in the first place as my
> main business is colour I really should seriously think on two separate
> workflows.
> 
> William
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> hogarth@...
>   Sent: 20 September 2005 16:10
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: B/W on the 9600
> 
> 
>   William Wilson wrote:
> 
>> inks are genuine Epson Utrachromes.
>> 
>> William
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>   That, may be your problem.
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>   If you want the best B&W you can get, you aren't going to get it using
>   color inks. You'll get better results from a dedicated B&W inkset, such
>   as the MIS UT-7 (if you want a variable tone inkset) or the Piezotone K7
>   (if you want a fixed tone inkset). Either one of these should give you
>   better shadow detail, which seems to be what you are after.
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>   Be aware that if you are going to really push it, you need the tools to
>   help you. In this case, you really should be using a RIP like
>   StudioPrint which lets you linearize your particular
>   printer/ink/substrate and can handle quad-sets, hex-sets, and hep-sets
>   (StudioPrint either already supports hep-sets, or is about to).
>   Alternatively, you could try QTR which is reported to be excellent also.
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>   You wouldn't expect excellent B&W printing to ilfochrome; you shouldn't
>   expect any better results printing B&W with UltraChromes.
>   --
>   Bruce Watson
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