Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:
>Hello,

Try Kodak Professional Inkjet Lustre. It prints very neutral with good tone separation and 
contrast. I've compared the same print using the Kodak and Epson Semi-Gloss and the 
Epson prints warmer with a flatter contrast.

Steve 
> Doug,
> 
> Try some Costco Kirkland Glossy inkjet paper and Epson Premium Semimatte.
> Both are significantly better with respect to bronzing than the Premium
> Semigloss.  If one looks very critically at them there is still a gloss
> differential between the paper white and areas with significant density, but
> the obnoxious bronzing is virtually gone.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug
> > Wolf
> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:05 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] No more (ok, very little) matte paper for me ...
> > (was - Matte paper, sprays ...)
> > 
> > In the continuing quest for better dmax and more "punch" in my images,
> > I have to say, whatever MIS has done with the most recent UT7
> > formulation to make it work on RC paper, seems amazing to me.
> > 
> > Paul - after our exchange, I was digging through the paper stack and
> > found a packet with a few sheets of premium semigloss.  I remembered
> > reading a post from you about MIS claiming improved bronzing
> > characteristics, so I figured, what the heck - I'll give it a try (I
> > had long ago given up on RC papers as totally unacceptable with
> > pigmented inks - although, I never mastered the spray coating
> > technique, so that probably wasn't fair).
> > 
> > Well, the short answer is, I'm stunned.  There is still a little
> > bronzing (basically, reduced reflectance compared to the overall
> > print, in areas where K < ~2-3%) but you have to angle the print to
> > the light in such a way as to try to see it.  Under most conditions
> > and normal viewing angles, you don't see it at all.  And the blacks
> > are actually BLACK. What is really amazing is that this was achieved
> > as essentially a quad-tone mixing only the C, M, LC and LM inks.  Not
> > to mention that I think the micro detail is perceptibly much sharper
> > than any matte print (even EEM, which, archival or not has the
> > smoothest surface character of any matte paper I've used).
> > 
> > I had convinced myself that my matte prints looked pretty good, but
> > viewing them next to some prints of the same images on semigloss with
> > the latest UT7 inks - there is IMO no comparison.
> > 
> > Anybody in Austin, TX want to take the rest of my PAHP 325 paper off
> > my hands?? :-)
> > 
> > Doug
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Doug,
> > >
> > > Premier Art Print Shield (solvent) does not increase dmax, at least as
> > > normally used.  It actually decreases it.
> > >
> > > (It sounds like your curve has a shadow ramp that needs fixing.)
> > >
> > > The water-based products like Eco can increase dmax, but smooth
> > application
> > > is tricky.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > Doug
> > > > Wolf
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:36 PM
> > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Digital BW] Matte paper, sprays and dmax
> > > >
> > > > Greetings, group.
> > > >
> > > > I've searched the archives, and have not come up with an answer,
> > > > although I imagine there is one there somewhere.
> > > >
> > > > I've got a workflow using QTR with UT7 inks established, mostly on
> > > > premierart hotpress 325 gsm, and am very happy with most of the
> > > > results, as long as large black elements are not a major component of
> > > > the picture.  The dmax is such that if there are large shadow areas,
> > > > the print takes on a "muddy" feel. - High key prints, or those with
> > > > only small or diffuse shadow areas seem to look fine to me and other
> > > > viewers.
> > > >
> > > > So the question is - does PremierArt print shield increase the dmax on
> > > > matte papers?  Has anyone had any experience with the PriemerArt ECO
> > > > coatings, and if so, does anyone know when the aerosol versions will
> > > > be available, and from where?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance -
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > >
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