Digital BW, The Print

Ernst

Thanks for the link in the earlier post.  This is the first I have seen of
it. Maybe you posted it prior to my Ripoff Britain rant or perhaps I missed
it.  I'll take the NL price points when I write up my summary of my
findings.  Good to know - thanks.

Unfortunately I have to price in the VAT. :-(  I'll check out the Innova
stuff although if I can find HPR at a good price (say from the US) I'll
simply continue to use that.

FYI the NL price for a 17in roll of HPR works out around about £90 (plus
shipping).  Including shipping, I can get it from Jim for £74 (£50/€42
excluding shipping).  And I'd rather pay that price all day long rather than
support Hahnemuhle's gross pricing policy in the UK.

Cheers

Steve


> From: Ernst Dinkla <E.Dinkla@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:41:09 +0200
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Dmax with Epson 2400 on matte media - UK paper
> suppliers
> 
> Steve, you wrote:
> 
>> What's your cost of 17in HPR 308?  What's VAT in The Netherlands? BTW you
>> never popped into this discussion in the WF Group when people (incl Steve
>> Gledhill) asked for prices from European suppliers.
> 
> Don't know the HPR 308 17" price here but the same site I
> mentioned has prices for HM papers. AFAIK I have given the
> same address before in the WF group. The HM papers at 36 and
> 44 " are even with the best reductions still more expensive
> per sqm than the Innova papers of the same quality.
> VAT is 19% here but I run a business so don't count that part.
> 
>> A guy sitting in the UK has still got to get your Netherlands product to the
>> UK.  No duty would be payable on goods from the Netherlands of course and it
>> is highly unlikely to added by UK Customs on goods sent from Shades of
>> Paper.  At worst, and again this is very unlikely for irregular shipments,
>> 17.5% VAT will be levied re goods shipped from the US on the cost of goods
>> plus postage (ie landed value), plus a £12 processing fee.
> 
> Again I don't count the VAT, if I have to pay, I can also
> deduct again. At the same time I have to be careful with
> import tax. The occasional package may not be observed but it
> counts up and customs here can add a lot up over the years
> when they think you cheated them as a business. Paper just
> isn't that cheaper in the US, delivery time longer and sending
> rolls back when they are not good is a hassle.
> 
>> I don't think Innova product is sold here in the UK.  If I am wrong will
>> someone please correct me as that will provide another interesting price
>> comparison. 
> 
> This can't be true.
> http://www.innovaart.com/contact.html
> If you check the contact page you will see that Mark Messina
> is located in the UK. He should know who sells it in the UK.
> There are pound prices at their site:
> http://www.innovaart.com/fine_price_soft.html
> 
> The brothers Bol mentioned on the contact page are involved in
> Innova but also the men behind www.arca-nl.nl, the distributor
> in The Netherlands.
> If there's no UK solution ask the price at Arca-nl. They speak
> or write English and it could well be that though the
> communication goes through their business the delivery might
> be directly from a warehouse in the UK. AFAIK, at least part
> of the production is UK based.
> 
>                     --
>            Ernst Dinkla
> 
>