Paul et al I thought it might be useful to talk about some of the pluses and minuses (in relation to this discussion) of transfer curves vs custom dot gain ICC profiles vs PS curves vs QTR Create ICC profiles. When Roy first delved into this following a long discussion we had where I was saying that linearising to L* was not enough I immediately saw the potential of the approach. Having made two "generic" ICC profiles, Roy then put it off to one side for a while. I wanted to take it further and be able to create ICC profiles from actual rather than hypothetical data (as the generics did). I don't have Roy's programming skills so I was looking for another method of creating them. I had a bunch of conversations with Phil Green - yes the "ask Phil" guy you see on www.color.org. He kept saying "I don't see why you don't just use a PS curve to put the right transform in place". Bruce Fraser alerted me to the fact that PS can generate an ICC profile from a custom dot gain. So I've been around the various options here but only as my understanding of the topic was growing. Thankfully Roy became interested in the subject again and really produced a great product. "Custom Dot Gain ICC Profile Generation" A very cool part of PS is that it can create a simple greyscale ICC profile from Custom Dot Gain information. This profile can (and is intended to) then be used for printing. I struggled with this initially because I thought I needed to be able to move the end points in order to reflect paper white and ink black. Later I understood that the inputs into an ICC profile are media relative and so I didn't need to be able to move the white point. But you do still need to get the white point info into the profile. The inability to move the black point (bottom left) is a problem. In order to do a soft proof of ink black properly you can't give PS a profile that indicates that the printer can achieve perfect black. Checking Simulate Ink Black will merely leave the deep blacks at monitor black and you miss one of the key points of soft proofing B&W. So that's a big negative for using the Custom Dot Gain approach. Of course the other issue is you still need to know the stimulus-response behaviour of the printer (ie to be able to measure the luminance of your step wedge) and then do the scaling calculations for media relativity (adjusting for white point) and also BPC (because the inability to shift the black point forces you to "embed" BPC). The last issue is of course the limited number of observations that a Custom Dot Gain can accommodate. "PS Curves" PS Curves are useful in two ways. You can create a curve to use as a soft proof of the printer behaviour (eg reduced black and dull white). You can also create a curve to modify the luminance of the file data so that it is scaled for paper white (media relativity) and ink black (BPC). But the two curves are very different and you don't want the soft proof curve to still be there when you send the file to print. Also you don't want the scaling curve to be left in the file because it is only relevant for a particular media/printer setup. It's all a bit messy. Furthermore, you still need to be able to do all the measuring and scaling calculations to get the curve(s) right. So the complexity of the task has not changed except for the fact that once you have the calculations done you do have a mechanism for putting them into effect - better than nothing. "Transfer Curves" A transfer curve is simply the second of the two curves I mentioned above. It has the one great advantage of not being embedded in the file. It is a print only curve. But you can't soft proof with a transfer curve. In order to soft proof even just luminance, you need to create a soft proof curve as mentioned above. So net-net Transfer Curves don't get you much further than PS curves. "ICC Profiles" The cool thing about ICC output profiles is that they don't need to "embedded" in the file by a conversion (ie a change of data info). They can be invoked only at printing (an on-the-fly conversion) and soft proofing. Done properly they can provide a soft proof for ink black (ie no embedded BPC). [I looked at Colorshop X's Greyscalebuilder utility but it is clumsy and can't be used to automate the input of actual data. (It did, however, greatly help in my understanding of media relativity - at first I couldn't understand why when I changed the media white point the curve did fall from the top right corner!)] I thought the programming of an ICC builder that read actual stimulus-response behaviour into a kTRC (grey tonal response curve) to be daunting enough. But having got this under control Roy quickly turned his attention to the alternative method of using A2B0/B2A0 lookup tables. When Roy mentioned to me that he was getting to grips with how these tables worked I said that would be awesome because he could record colour information for the soft proof direction and still leave the printer direction managing luminance only. What we have now is a first draft of exactly that and is an awesome achievement. (One has to remember that it is very difficult to ask colour engineers questions about this stuff. They think and breathe colour and getting them to help in the constrained B&W world can be difficult. There is also a lot of info at the ICC site but it's a lot of "this is" and not a lot of "because of this" - ie a lot of factual stuff but little "why". Roy has done a tremendous job filtering through all this stuff for our benefit.) Linearising vs Profiling In theory a more linear printer means profiling is easier. This is because it is impractical for the profile to have every possible observation in it (although it is much more practical for greyscale than colour) and so it needs to interpolate between observations. Linearity makes interpolation easy. But get enough observations in the sample and linearity becomes, I think, less important. I suspect, although I am not knowledgeable enough on this stuff to be definitive, that for B&W so long as the printer has a semblance of linearity then 51 observations is more than enough for sensible output and linearising the printer becomes less relevant. (I think the whole Epson Colorbase trip we all went on a couple of weeks back was a wild goose chase.) My bet is that 51 observations would be enough to manage even the crude Black Only luminance scale for example. Only testing will tell. Remember 51 observations (even 21) is a huge number of observations for a single axis - imagine doing that number for each combination of 3 axes R, G and B. Now to practicalities. One can pay the QTR shareware fee and use QTR Create ICC even if you don't have an expensive spectrophotometer. You can simply plug the hue data (Lab's a* and b*) with zeros. You will need a densitometer that either outputs L* or XYZ_Y and then you can convert that to L* - ie you need to be able to measure luminance. But in the grand scheme of things these are relatively cheap. You will not be able to soft proof the hue of your output but I think this is a secondary concern. What I like about the QTR Create ICC profiles the most is that my print workflow is now really very automated. I know that the profile will scale the image luminance properly for my print media and simply need to focus on getting the image looking right on screen. The first soft proof really is the print "at size". Even if one has to spot read the 21 or 51 patches this isn't so bad. Getting the data into the right format is easy once you understand what formats are allowed. A simple text editor can do this. Of course if you do have a spectrophotometer - and it doesn't have to be an EyeOne - then you can include the a* and b* information and get a soft proof of hue as well as luminance. I hope this helps. Steve
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Re: [Digital BW] ICC v. Transfer Function in Epson driver
2005-10-18 by Steve Kale
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