Digital BW, The Print

It seems I have offended you.  That was not my intention.  Please accept my
apology.

Steve


> From: Tyler Boley <tyler@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:34:06 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ICC v. Transfer Function in Epson driver
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
> <stevekale@b...> wrote:
>> 
>> Tyler
>> 
>> It finally works very well.
>> 
>> I am not at all refusing to acknowledge the accomplishments of so many.
>> Rather I am praising the very significant progress this represents.
>  Other
>> than Imageprint's ICC approach, this is the first "colour-managed"
> approach
>> to B&W tonal range management discussed on this forum in the last three
>> years.
> 
> I'm afraid that says more about the list activity than anything else.
> There's a lot going on in the rest of the world.
> 
>>  There have been expressed desires, hopes and wishes - but no
>> implementation.
> 
> PiezographyBW ICC was introduced in 2003. I have one friend that has
> been using it on an 1160 since then, another on a 1280. Both make
> beautiful prints, both use soft proof  effectively and print through
> the profiles.
> iQuads came out in 2004, they are essentially a custom version of the
> same thing.
> I'm selecting these products to mention not to hype them in
> particular, but to show just one example of significant implementation.
> 
>> Yes we have used colour management tools to do proofing but
>> not for the much more critical management of tonal range.
> 
> I don't find that to be as critically necessary as you. In fact I
> don't currently utilize a profile conversion in my printing data path
> for B&W printing. Many don't and are doing fine.
> 
>> In the last three
>> years (other than the discussion building towards QTR Create ICC)
> there has
>> been no progress made in the dynamic management of tonal compression
> other
>> than to suggest people do an "s-curve".
>> 
>> QTR Create ICC finally takes knowledge that has been available to
> the colour
>> world for many years and applies it to B&W.  This is fantastic.
>> 
>> My point was simply to say that even if one didn't have the ability to
>> deploy a general, colour-managed approach such as QTR Create ICC,
> one can
>> achieve the same result with as much rigour for any given workspace by
>> deploying a "smart(er) linearization".  It's a pity we didn't.  But
> in the
>> end we leapfrogged to a workflow (QTR ICC) that works for any
> workspace -
>> all's well that ends well.
> 
> Honestly, you lose me here, and I think I'm just done with the
> conversation. I don't know who all these "we" folks are. The
> apparently dumb and pitiful linearization I and many others are using
> seems to be dandy and ended well some time ago.
> 
>> Congratulations Roy and thanks very much for all the hard work over
> the last
>> year.
> 
> Well of course.
> T