Digital BW, The Print

Not to drag this out, but if that were the case I would have said so.
I was making very specific points. The only real disconnect I percieve
at this point is your ideas about linearization. I don't detect a
problem here, or out there in the world, regarding linearization so my
attention can't stay with the discussion and I'm bowing out of that part.
Don't be sorry on my account.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
>
> It seems I have offended you.  That was not my intention.  Please
accept my
> apology.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> > From: Tyler Boley <tyler@t...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:34:06 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ICC v. Transfer Function in Epson driver
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
> > <stevekale@b...> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Tyler
> >> 
> >> It finally works very well.
> >> 
> >> I am not at all refusing to acknowledge the accomplishments of so
many.
> >> Rather I am praising the very significant progress this represents.
> >  Other
> >> than Imageprint's ICC approach, this is the first "colour-managed"
> > approach
> >> to B&W tonal range management discussed on this forum in the last
three
> >> years.
> > 
> > I'm afraid that says more about the list activity than anything else.
> > There's a lot going on in the rest of the world.
> > 
> >>  There have been expressed desires, hopes and wishes - but no
> >> implementation.
> > 
> > PiezographyBW ICC was introduced in 2003. I have one friend that has
> > been using it on an 1160 since then, another on a 1280. Both make
> > beautiful prints, both use soft proof  effectively and print through
> > the profiles.
> > iQuads came out in 2004, they are essentially a custom version of the
> > same thing.
> > I'm selecting these products to mention not to hype them in
> > particular, but to show just one example of significant
implementation.
> > 
> >> Yes we have used colour management tools to do proofing but
> >> not for the much more critical management of tonal range.
> > 
> > I don't find that to be as critically necessary as you. In fact I
> > don't currently utilize a profile conversion in my printing data path
> > for B&W printing. Many don't and are doing fine.
> > 
> >> In the last three
> >> years (other than the discussion building towards QTR Create ICC)
> > there has
> >> been no progress made in the dynamic management of tonal compression
> > other
> >> than to suggest people do an "s-curve".
> >> 
> >> QTR Create ICC finally takes knowledge that has been available to
> > the colour
> >> world for many years and applies it to B&W.  This is fantastic.
> >> 
> >> My point was simply to say that even if one didn't have the
ability to
> >> deploy a general, colour-managed approach such as QTR Create ICC,
> > one can
> >> achieve the same result with as much rigour for any given
workspace by
> >> deploying a "smart(er) linearization".  It's a pity we didn't.  But
> > in the
> >> end we leapfrogged to a workflow (QTR ICC) that works for any
> > workspace -
> >> all's well that ends well.
> > 
> > Honestly, you lose me here, and I think I'm just done with the
> > conversation. I don't know who all these "we" folks are. The
> > apparently dumb and pitiful linearization I and many others are using
> > seems to be dandy and ended well some time ago.
> > 
> >> Congratulations Roy and thanks very much for all the hard work over
> > the last
> >> year.
> > 
> > Well of course.
> > T
>