Tony It's worth understanding this in two steps. Density is a log function of luminance. Log functions are simply nice because they turn curves into straight lines. In 1931 the Commission Internationale de l'Eclairage standards body developed the CIE XYZ colour space is their best attempt to represent the eye's reaction to light and the Y component/axis models the average luminance function of the eye's cones. The formulae you have been presented with do two things in one step. They convert CIELab's L* (the Lab colour space is a perceptually uniform colour space) to CIE YYZ's Y. From there you get to density by taking the log of XYX_Y (ie the log of luminance). The last thing is to multiply by -1 because it is reflective rather than emmissive. So first you need to get from L* to XYZ_Y: If L*>7.9996248 (or >8) then: XYZ_Y = ((L*+16)/116)^3 Else XYZ_Y = L* x 27/24389 And once you have XYZ_Y then Density = -LOG(XYZ_Y) Of course your EyeOne also gives you the XYZ_Y directly depending on the manner in which it is used. Unless I am mistaken, John needs to check the second part of the equation he gave you. Cheers Steve > From: John Moody <moodymz3@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:59:02 -0500 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Black Density measurement > > Well, LAB_L is a cell name; you can read about names in the user guide if > you wish. > > Try this, paste the following into cell B1. > =IF(A1>=8,LOG(((A1+16)/116)^3)*-1,LOG(A1/903.3)*-1) > > Now if you put 14 in A1, you should see 1.762 show up in B1. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tony Riley > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:38 AM > To: digitalblackandwhitetheprint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Black Density measurement > > I'm sure I need to thank you for your prompt response, John, > But you may not be surprised to know that you've thrown good info at a > phillistine! > > I do have excel but how do I set up the conversion? > > And just as a taster what would an L* value of 14 equate to? > > Interesting stuff for a Sunday afternoon ! > > Tony R > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See „Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines‰ in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE „OWNER‰ AND > „MODERATORS‰ OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, > USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE „OWNER‰ AND „MODERATORS‰ OF > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR > TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Black Density measurement
2005-10-30 by Steve Kale
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