I bought the paper through IT Suplies (a very reliable outfit), but it was shipped directly from Premier in L.A. ITS is taking it all back and has always been extremely responsible in my experience. I understand from another supplier, who knows more about paper, that Epson obtains the paper in rolls and, through a third party, does its own coating and cutting. The USFA is, in fact, slightly smoother to the touch than the Premiere. The USFA is also 325gsm rather than the Premier's 350. Whatever, someone at Epson is getting this right--the USFA delivers a perfect sheet virtually every time. As for Premiere, as Carl said, never again. I'm saving one of the sheets with a crushed insect in the coating just to remind me if I ever go crazy and think about buying something from Premier again. People seem to like their spray though--anyone seen bugs flying out of the can? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > It sounds like there is a QC problem somewhere. What retailers were these > purchased from? > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Carl > > Schofield > > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:40 PM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Ultrasmooth vs. Premiere Hot Press > > > > I had exactly the same experience when I recently purchased a box of > > Premier Luster Rag. Ragged edges, poor packaging, scuffed paper > > surface, warped, and very stiffly curled paper out of the box. Never > > again. > > > > On Nov 23, 2005, at 4:26 PM, wwodets wrote: > > > > > I recently went to Epson Ultrasmooth Fine Art for an OBA-free paper > > > and > > > was impressed with it: good image, impeccable quality, etc. > > > > > > Having heard that Premiere Hot Press was the same paper, I ordered 150 > > > sheets of it. It looks like the EUS, measures like it and their > > > profiles are essentially identical. > > > > > > The Premiere paper, however, shows *terrible* quality control: bad > > > edges, miscuts, insects smashed in the coating (really) and, worst of > > > all, radom scuffing of the coating that is quite visible in black > > > areas > > > of the print. > > > > > > At the same time I bought a box of the Premiere Hot Press Textured and > > > these sheets were so badly cut and stiff and deformed that I had > > > difficulty loading them into the printer. It is a very rough > > > surfaced, > > > ugly, badly finished paper. > > > > > > So, if you're thinking about a Premiere paper, watch out. I was > > > shocked. > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > > membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > > the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > > and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files > > section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND > > MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > > OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] Epson Ultrasmooth vs. Premiere Hot Press
2005-11-24 by wwodets
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