Digital BW, The Print

I know, we're lucky to still be alive. What is happening now is what I
dreamed of then (in the days of Henry Fox Talbot) -  total black and
white tonal cuve control on the fly, along with unlimited dodging and
burning capability on things called layer copies, and permanent color.

But just as significant as those things is the fact that we have the
best of both of the worlds, the printmaking worlds materials and the
photo worlds materials, even the cibachrome surface. This year I think
we are going to have it all in one place and without all the poisons
of past eras. It will be a fun year even without Portriga, rest her soul. 

John


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
<tyler@t...> wrote:
>
> Bill and John, we sure are coming off like reminiscing codgers.
Bromophen! Yes! Turned on 
> to it for Portriga by Michael Burns, one of the best printers I've
ever known.
> Agfacolor fiber, yes to that too. My first color prints were on it,
processed in trays in near 
> total darkness. Now, they are faded, I don't think they lasted long.
> These surfaces have a beautiful quality very different from the
coated rag papers we now 
> love. I too look forward to having that look available for inkjet as
well, hopefully it's 
> around the corner. The more creative option at hand, the better.
> Tyler
> 
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
> <deanwork2003@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Tyler,
> > 
> > That is so interesting. I used to have a quart of that Benetrizole
> > right beside my tray to cool it off a little too before I completed
> > the procedure with selenium (in the Hypo Clearing Agent). Then it was
> > perfect. I often used the Beers developer where you could create your
> > own mono color with the blend of anti-foggants. As I'm sure you
> > know,that yunky green cast came from the developing agents,like in
> > Dektol, etc. Later when the Ilford developer, Bromophen, came out it
> > has much better color tonality for an off the shelf product.
> > 
> > What I am hoping is that his kind of surface,color tone, and dmax is
> > now going to be possible with the Silver Rag inkjet media when it is
> > available. It certainly wouldn't entice me to abandon my love of more
> > natural surface rag papers, but is sure is going to extend our
> > possibilities.
> > 
> > Related to all this, do you guys remember the beautiful Afgacolor
> > fiber based type c papers they had out in the 70's. I was just a kid
> > but I still remember their qualities before Kodak and rc changed it
> > all. Now we just may for the first time be moving toward that
> > color-fiber semi gloss capability with this Crane paper, with
> > Ultrachrome and K3. And, they will be much more alterable than what
> > they had in the 70's. See, pixel technology IS an improvement.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
> > <tyler@t...> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
> > <deanwork2003@y...> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...Agfa Portriga
> > > > Rapid, the paper I used for many years...
> > > 
> > > John, you do have excellent taste. My favorite paper for years. A
> > bit of benzetriazole in the 
> > > developer to make it a bit more neutral, and a slight selenium
> > toning to move a bit awawy 
> > > fron green, and it's pure warm glowing silver magic. My favorite was
> > a dense neg on grade 
> > > one.
> > > Tyler
> > >
> >
>