Digital BW, The Print

Steve,
If you select  the first adjustment layer and type control + j 
(command-j on mac) PS will exactly duplicate the adjustment layer.
Joe

And Gareth ... on the images you want to combine, layer one on top of 
the other and set up a layer mask on the top one and brush in what 
you want to see in the lower one. And you can clone from one layer to 
another by selecting sample all layers in the options bar.

Joe


At 03:41 PM 12/23/2005, you wrote:
>Joe,
>
>At least on my computer you cannot set the mode of both adjustment
>layers to color, only the lower one where you actually use the hue
>slider.
>
>Steve
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Joe Dempsey
><jdempsey@c...> wrote:
> >
> > For what it's worth, here's a technique I use with a plethora of
> > color 35mm negs I have with a Nikon 4000 ED. Scan at 4000 dpi 16
>bit
> > color at 100% with digital ice enabled at full tilt which on a full
> > frame 35mm neg nets about 88 mgb.  This will not set any new indoor
> > records for speedy scanning.
> >
> > Then, I tried a a different BW conversion technique (to me) with
>good
> > results. Open the tif from the scanner and save as a psd. Add a
> > hue/saturation adjustment layer and set the blending mode to color.
> > Duplicate the adjustment layer.  Click on the top adjustment layer
> > and move the saturation slider all the way to the left to
>desaturate.
> > Then adjust the hue on the original (this was the way the article
> > said to do it), but I like adjusting the individual rgb levels
> > channels until I get what I want and sometimes mess with the
>original
> > r,g or b curves as well.  Then do whatever spotting is left that
> > digital ice did not get plus any other tweaks that are required to
> > achieve what I want.
> >
> > Then save a copy. Then go to image size and set the resolution to
>360
> > without resampling which yields something in the neighborhood of
> > 12-13" inches on the tall side. Then, if I want a larger print,
> > resample bicubic sharper to the size I want and save a copy. Then
>if
> > there is a noise issue, apply a light Neat Image treatment and save
>a
> > copy. Then sharpen as necessary and save a copy. Then save as
>grayscale.
> >
> > It's a tedious process, but you can go back to any stage and start
> > over if you don't get what you want. I have gotten 16" inch prints
> > from 35mm negs this way with excellent results. I rely on a friend
> > whose printer is much better than mine to do the prints.
> >
> > My machine is P4/3.6, 2 gb ram with a dedicated 15,000  rpm scuzzy
> > scratch disk.
> >
> > That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > At 11:10 AM 12/23/2005, you wrote:
> > >Gareth-
> > >
> > >I use essentially the approach you suggest on a 5000, with a few
> > >differences.
> > >
> > >I scan a grayscale positive; I use the analogue gain to more-or-
>less
> > >center the data in the histogram (especially important with dense
> > >negatives); I adjust the histogram sliders in but only loosely;
>and I
> > >always scan 8X to reduce noise (the scanner-induced noise is
>random,
> > >so the multiscanning averages out everything that is not consistent
> > >in all eight scans, which is the noise); then I spend two hours
> > >spotting the image in PS!  Also, use 16 bit, which I think you
>didn't
> > >mention.
> > >
> > >What you get is a light, flat image that includes all the data from
> > >the negative.
> > >
> > >Walt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly"
> > ><garethjolly@b...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Glad everyone is having fun with the Farm Security
>Administration -
> > > > have to say I was blown with the quality of the print of the
>Migrant
> > > > Mother I was able to get.
> > > >
> > > > I think I'm getting on top of my B&W print workflow.
> > > >
> > > > I'm now starting to look at the scanner end of things.
> > > >
> > > > I have a Nikon 4000ED with roll film adapter - and I have both
>Nikon
> > > > Scan and Vuescan.
> > > >
> > > > There seem to be 2 problems with the Nikon / Nikon scan.  The
>first
> > >is
> > > > that Nikon scan insists truncating the histogram - starting
>from 30
> > >in
> > > > the shadows - on negative scans.  The second is focus can be a
> > >little
> > > > out - due to a combination of limited depth of field, slight
> > >curvature
> > > > of the negative in the glassless holder and possibly autofocus
> > > > problems on some images. (I flippantly remarked on my old LS20
> > > > producing sharper scans than my 4000 and someone pointed this
>out)
> > > >
> > > > I'm also a little unsure of the analogue gain function - there
>seems
> > > > to be some suggestion it doesn't affect the lamp brightness in
>B&W,
> > > > simply operating on the post processed image.
> > > >
> > > > The type of workflow I was thinking of is this:
> > > >
> > > > - use Nikonscan rather than Vuescan
> > > > - scan B&W negatives as a 16 bit colour positive;
> > > > - preview the negative
> > > > - make slight adjustments to analogue gain if the negative
>appears
> > > > over or underexposed (i.e significant clipping or bunching up of
> > >values)
> > > > - use manual focus to focus at the centre of the image
> > > > - use GEM to reduce grain (taking up Paul's suggestion)
> > > > - use multiscan as and when required (especially archival
>images and
> > > > images with problems with shadow definition)
> > > > - possibly, use multiple scans with different GEM and analogue
>gain
> > > > settings
> > > > - convert to B&W in Photoshop - using the colour combiner.
> > > >
> > > > I've also ordered an Anti-Newton ring glass carrier insert for
>my
> > >film
> > > > strip holder.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone help me here?  Is there anything I should be doing
> > > > differently?  This is largely guesswork based on reading a few
> > >things.
> > > >
> > > > And does anyone think I should be using Vuescan instead?  The
>big
> > > > advantage to Nikonscan seems to be GEM.  And I might need to
> > >calibrate
> > > > the Coolscan to get the best out of Vuescan - meaning I need at
>IT8
> > > > target!  Don't suppose anyone has an ICC for Coolscan 4000ED?
> > > >
> > > > Not quite sure how I combine the multiple images.  I have
>Photoshop
> > > > CS2.  Paul mentioned the cloning tool...  Paul, do you have open
> > > > multiple images and clone between them?  Or am I just totally
> > >missing
> > > > the point.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Gareth
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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