Yes, Jim, perhaps it is apples to oranges in some ways, but it was intended as a rough measure of dmax and overall printing characteristics on the one hand, and on the other-how much stock are we to put on the sheer status of cotton paper? Does some of the mediocre stuff out there merit preference just because it is cotton? Just how far do we take the "cotton mystique"? Whats important to me is how well a paper prints, how stable it is, and the overall beauty and character of the paper. So far cotton papers have had an upper hand in the character department, yes. But if an RC paper comes along that looks as nice in its own way, prints better than most rag papers, and gets good fade test results, why not compare it? Mind you, I'm not claiming this is the giant-slayer, just saying lets keep an open mind. Regards, Steve Karafyllakis PS: I've seen the Sihl data sheet; one of my reservations with this product is precisely that data sheet-it says nothing regarding acidity or fade resistance. That's usually a bad sign, most companies like to get positive info of that kind out where you can find quickly. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Doyle" <jdoyle1713@c...> wrote: > > Steven > > How can you compare it to Silver rag or VFA.. .. Silver rag Is a 100 % > cotton paper.. This isnt.. ? ? it should Cost less to.. > > here Is a Link to the data Sheet.. > http://www.sihlusa.com/data_sheets/3695.pdf I have Seen This Paper and It > does print well.. But Steve your Trying to compare Apples To Oranges On This > One.. > > > Last night Clayton & I did some comparison prints on Iridium, Crane > Silver Rag, and VFA, on the 2400 with Epson K3 inks. The one thing > I'm very sure of, is that the surface and sheen of the Iridium beats > all hell out of the Crane- I do hope Crane can do something about > that, because otherwise it is a very impressive paper > Quickly though: with default ABW settings (except for the 'gamma' > setting being on 'lightest') the Iridium had at least as good a dmax > as the Silver Rag, with equal or better shadow detail, and better > highlight retention. It tended to print a bit cooler than SR and > noticeably cooler than VFA. VFA had the lowest dmax of the three, > but had a luminosity and a richness that more than made up for it. I > should point out, however, that Clayton's test images were optimized > for the VFA. > > > Cheers > Jim Doyle > > > J. Doyle Enterprises LLC > 114 Old Orchard Rd > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 > 856-424-8660 > http://www.shadesofpaper.com > AOL IM: Brokerup99 > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > -- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > -- > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
Message
Re: [Digital BW] Sihl Iridium Satin-first impressions
2006-01-28 by Steven Karafyllakis
Attachments
- No local attachments were found for this message.