I need to buy a new printer. To date, I've been planning on getting the R2400, but a local camera shop has dropped the price on the 4800 so it is now on 2x the price of the R2400. It has tempted me to think about getting it. I know the cost in ink will be significant, but I don't know if I print enough to justify it. I see myself as doing a lot of printing in the first two months, maybe 60 B&W prints (if on the 2400, 13x19, if on the 4800, I'd do 16x20) and then average about 8-10 prints a month with peaks here and there. I could get by with the smaller print size of the R2400 for now, but the price of the 4800 has made me think I could get that and keep the printer longer (instead of replacing it in 2/3 years). It still won't be easy to get the 4800 (its cheaper, but not cheap :) and would probably prevent me from getting a RIP immediatly. So if you were in my position with those printing numbers, with enough money for a 4800, or R2400 with RIP and a bit extra for more paper and ink, which would you get? As far as experience, though my decision making skills may not be so great, I think I'm a fairly competent printer and will be able to get the most out of either printer. How much would does it cost to do 10 13x19" B&W's on the R2400? How about 10 16x20" B&W's on the 4800? Thanks for any and all help On 2/20/06 4:36 PM, "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > There are 21 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > From: Jim Farrell <jim@...> > 2. Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > From: Adam Maas <mykroft@...> > 3. Re: re ink limits-Museo Max > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > 4. Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > From: "finnkrogvig" <finn@...> > 5. Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > 6. RIP setup was Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > 7. Re: RIP setup was Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...> > 8. Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > From: "vartkes_peltekoglu" <vartkes@...> > 9. Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > From: "vartkes_peltekoglu" <vartkes@...> > 10. RE: R220 settings > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > 11. Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > From: "paulo030947" <avelino@netsite.com.br> > 12. OT: Type Font installation > From: "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@...> > 13. Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > From: "jcjacobs" <jcjacobs@...> > 14. Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > From: Chris McKillop <cdm@killerstuff.net> > 15. Downloading curves with a Mac > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > 16. Re: Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > From: Peter De Smidt <pdesmidt@...> > 17. RE: Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > From: "Richard Orban" <ro@...> > 18. DaVinci snit > From: "mark_gatehouse" <mark_gatehouse@...> > 19. Re: OT: Type Font installation > From: Larry Wangelin <lwangelin@...> > 20. Re: DaVinci snit > From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> > 21. RE: OT: Type Font installation > From: "gcwagner" <gcwagner@sbcglobal.net> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:33:34 +0000 > From: Jim Farrell <jim@...> > Subject: Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > I use a Nikon 5000ed, along with vuescan. The results are excellent for both > colour (Profiled for various films) and B&W. Vuescan is an excellent piece > of software, giving a consistent view no matter which scanner you use. > > I have tried the Epson 3170 for 6x6cm negs, bit soft, not too bad for small > prints. > > Hope this helps > > Jim Farrell > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:00:46 -0500 > From: Adam Maas <mykroft@...> > Subject: Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > I'd recommend the Minolta SDIV. B&W negs can't take advantage of > DigitalICE, and the others on the market all use LED sources (The > Minolta 5400 uses a cold light but is no longer sold, as does the SDIV, > but the 5400 II and Nikons uses LED's) > > -Ada, > > finnkrogvig wrote: >> Perhaps this is a bit off topic of the group, but you are an >> experienced lot and I cant resist asking for some advice. Neither >> could I find anything on this topic by searching group posts so I am >> asking here. >> >> I am looking for scanners both for 35mm and 6x6 B&W negatives. Nikon >> Coolscan 8000/9000 and the similar Minolta Multi Pro is just too >> expensive for me. I am planning to print up to A3+ from 35mm and >> 20"x20" or even larger from 6x6. >> >> I suspect the Epson 4990 flatbed or Canon Canoscan 9950F will do for >> 6x6, but not for 35mm. Perhaps the solution is a second hand 35mm >> film scanner and one of those flatbeds for 6x6? >> >> But which filmscanner? Nikon Coolscan V or LS-50, Minolta scan dual >> IV or 5400/5400II - or what? >> >> I read something about different light source in filmscanners,- that >> LED light in the Nikonscanners (and 5400II) makes the filmgrain more >> pronounced. >> >> I would be very happy if the members of this group could share some >> experiences with me. >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:38:21 -0000 > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > Subject: Re: re ink limits-Museo Max > > I noticed it, definitely. I did not go any farther than a quick > linearization curve to see. > Tyler > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" > <deanwork2003@...> wrote: >> >> In a related note. Has anyone else (I know Greg knows) observed how >> quickly Crane's Museo Max bottoms out in regard to max black >> absorbtion? With K6, compared to all the other papers I've tested, it >> reaches its limit quickly and then reverses.The original Museo did the >> same thing. >> >> John >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:39:54 -0000 > From: "finnkrogvig" <finn@krogvig.no> > Subject: Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > > I might be able to get a second hand 5400(I), but how much does the > lightsource matter for how the grain shows? Anyone? > > There is also the question about speed. Minolta SDIV seems rather > fast, wheras some review complained about the speed of the 5400(I). > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Adam Maas > <mykroft@...> wrote: >> >> I'd recommend the Minolta SDIV. B&W negs can't take advantage of >> DigitalICE, and the others on the market all use LED sources (The >> Minolta 5400 uses a cold light but is no longer sold, as does the > SDIV, >> but the 5400 II and Nikons uses LED's) >> >> -Ada, >> >> finnkrogvig wrote: >>> Perhaps this is a bit off topic of the group, but you are an >>> experienced lot and I cant resist asking for some advice. Neither >>> could I find anything on this topic by searching group posts so I > am >>> asking here. >>> >>> I am looking for scanners both for 35mm and 6x6 B&W negatives. > Nikon >>> Coolscan 8000/9000 and the similar Minolta Multi Pro is just too >>> expensive for me. I am planning to print up to A3+ from 35mm and >>> 20"x20" or even larger from 6x6. >>> >>> I suspect the Epson 4990 flatbed or Canon Canoscan 9950F will do > for >>> 6x6, but not for 35mm. Perhaps the solution is a second hand 35mm >>> film scanner and one of those flatbeds for 6x6? >>> >>> But which filmscanner? Nikon Coolscan V or LS-50, Minolta scan > dual >>> IV or 5400/5400II - or what? >>> >>> I read something about different light source in filmscanners,- > that >>> LED light in the Nikonscanners (and 5400II) makes the filmgrain > more >>> pronounced. >>> >>> I would be very happy if the members of this group could share > some >>> experiences with me. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:45:58 -0000 > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > Subject: Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale > <stevekale@...> wrote: >> >> The situation that I encountered recently involved a need to limit > the K ink >> channel earlier than the Epson driver and likely let the other inks > run a >> little further. This was on HPR. I guess we are getting very far > off topic >> now but I'd really value your input on colour RIP output - perhaps > via the >> WF forum. I haven't made a purchase yet but I've been tinkering > with the >> idea... > > I'm not sure I can help, I'm in the middle of several similar issues, > all unresolved. Hopefully others would chime in. > There isn't a perfect forum for this, ask here or there and I'll see > if I can confuse matters. > As you no doubt know, impossible to get control of that K channel in > the Epson driver. But you can try this- > Bring the black point in your file up to your desired print end point > with levels or curves. So comething like 000 becomes 999 or whatever. > Then "undo" it. Now go to edit/fade and bring it back in luminousity > mode and print. THis way you won't have taken away saturated colors > (Those with any 0 in them), just compressed on the neutral axis... > theoretically. > If it achieves the desired result, it could be edited into an RGB profile > Tyler > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:04:19 -0000 > From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...> > Subject: RIP setup was Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" > <dfaprinting@...> wrote: > ... >> OK, most of you can tune out now. >> >> You can get pretty close with certain GCR settings, but you need to >> use a profile app. that lets you make a custom GCR curve.... > > Most do, and I do understand how it works. But even if you manage to > write a curve that copies Epsons, you still won't achieve any setting > that gives 100% total ink in one part of the scale (in this case rgb > 000) and say 250% ink in a lighter part of the scale. > By the way, I hope I didn't sugeest that copying the Epson driver > behavior is desirable. > And since total ink amount is our only control of CMY content at max > K, with some inks and papers we can lower our dmax by raising total > ink just to achive gamut. > David Tobie could us tell a lot more about the driver's behavior than > I could. > >> As far as ink limits go... There are some tricks that I use with my >> inks, but I don't know if they apply to the Epson inks, so I won't >> spill all that out for fear of causing confusion. Summary is that not >> all inks hit their maximum density in the same place as their maximum >> chroma. > > Right, Epson inks hit max chroma before max density and begin to reverse. > >> You need to find a good balance between those two values. >> With the rather different inks that I use, you also do not want to >> run the light cyan all the way down to the maximum full cyan as it >> takes away from the blue coverage. > > With SP, light inks are taken out porportionally to the dark component > coming in. Not user changeable. So I would never run into that > particular problem. > A potential problem here is that if you let all light inks run to too > high of an individual percentage (for color printing) you could > unwittingly find yourself with very high total inks in mid range > colors you would not normally suspect. So yes, many issues. > >> ... I had to learn a very large amount to get >> the inks I'm using to work properly, > > I can certainly apreciate that. > >> ...Understanding how the >> RIP is doing it's job is very important, and often the only way to >> know this is to make many different configurations to see which one >> works best. It can be a slow process where gains can be very small. > > I'll admit to burnout right now. I'm going to number (1/1) and sign my > linearization and profile charts and foist them off on an unsuspecting > public for thousands. No one's are quite like mine, and each a one of > a kind. > Tyler > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:26:43 +0000 > From: Steve Kale <stevekale@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: RIP setup was Re: Da Vinci Fibre Gloss Paper > > LOL! Christie's here we come... > > >> From: Tyler Boley <tyler@tylerboley.com> > >> >> I'll admit to burnout right now. I'm going to number (1/1) and sign my >> linearization and profile charts and foist them off on an unsuspecting >> public for thousands. No one's are quite like mine, and each a one of >> a kind. >> Tyler > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:34:12 -0000 > From: "vartkes_peltekoglu" <vartkes@...> > Subject: Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "paulo030947" > <avelino@...> wrote: >> >> Would some of you guys know how to help me in the flg: I would like > to produce a picture >> that is oriiginal black in the shadows, has a warm tone in the > midtones and is the original >> white in the highlights, using the ABW in the R2400? >> Paulo >> > Hello Paolo, > Epson 2400 ABW driver can't print pre-toned images. ImagePrint RIP > running on Epson 2200, will accept 'colorized' images that are in the > RGB space and print beautiful greyscale and color portions. > You can print it on R2400 through its colour driver (disable ABW) I > have not yet tried this version. > Vartkes > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:33:57 -0000 > From: "vartkes_peltekoglu" <vartkes@...> > Subject: Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "paulo030947" > <avelino@...> wrote: >> >> Would some of you guys know how to help me in the flg: I would like > to produce a picture >> that is oriiginal black in the shadows, has a warm tone in the > midtones and is the original >> white in the highlights, using the ABW in the R2400? >> Paulo >> > Hello Paolo, > Epson 2400 ABW driver can't print pre-toned images. ImagePrint RIP > running on Epson 2200, will accept 'colorized' images that are in the > RGB space and print beautiful greyscale and color portions. > You can print it on R2400 through its colour driver (disable ABW) I > have not yet tried this version. > Vartkes > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:48:08 -0800 > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > Subject: RE: R220 settings > >> >> Would someone know which paper settings give the most ink using photo RPM? > > I find the "Ultra Premium Glossy Photo Paper" gives the best dmax on some > matte papers. I suspect it sets the highest ink limit of those that can > take advantage of RPM. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:49:30 -0000 > From: "paulo030947" <avelino@...> > Subject: Re: Split Tone in Epson 2400 ABW > > Thanks Vartkes for yr comments. In fact, the ABW has in the Color > Management mode the possibility of toning the photo. Try it. You will > see that there is a color circle where you can choose the tonality of > your print. There are also other commands that allow you to increase > or diminish the tonality in the shadows and highlights. After > choosing the tonality in the circle - h10 and v10 as suggested by a > member of the forum, I tried to reduce the tonality in the shadows > and highlights to the minimum, i.e. -26. It seemed to me that it > worked for the shadows but not for the highlights. I would like to > know if this is all one can do, in order to tone only the midtones, > leaving a deep black in the shadows and pure white in th highlights. > Paulo > > > > --- In > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "vartkes_peltekoglu" > <vartkes@...> wrote: >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "paulo030947" >> <avelino@> wrote: >>> >>> Would some of you guys know how to help me in the flg: I would > like >> to produce a picture >>> that is oriiginal black in the shadows, has a warm tone in the >> midtones and is the original >>> white in the highlights, using the ABW in the R2400? >>> Paulo >>> >> Hello Paolo, >> Epson 2400 ABW driver can't print pre-toned images. ImagePrint RIP >> running on Epson 2200, will accept 'colorized' images that are in > the >> RGB space and print beautiful greyscale and color portions. >> You can print it on R2400 through its colour driver (disable ABW) I >> have not yet tried this version. >> Vartkes >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:29:16 -0000 > From: "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@...> > Subject: OT: Type Font installation > > Can someone please tell me where install fonts so Photoshop can use > them. > > CS2 help section said to place then in : > > Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Fonts > > When I placed them there, the fonts didn't appear in CS2 when I tried > to use them. > > I'm on PC using XP/Pro, by the way. > > Thanks, > > Scott > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:48:19 -0000 > From: "jcjacobs" <jcjacobs@...> > Subject: Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > > I bought 6 different Epson 2200 cartridges at Fry's this last Friday. > The cashier said something about "that's a lot of ink, let me get you > a quote." He then took the cartridges to an supervisor behind the > register counter and they appeared to look up a price on their system, > that's my guess. The end result was I didn't get any discount so I > don't know what was really happening. Does anyone know what was going > on or were they just wasting my time for kicks? Was I that magic one > cartridge short of a fabulous discount? Was this a check to see if the > cashier could get a commission? > > Chris Jacobs > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:53:00 -0800 > From: Chris McKillop <cdm@...> > Subject: Re: Scanner for B&W negatives > >> >> >> But which filmscanner? Nikon Coolscan V or LS-50, Minolta scan dual >> IV or 5400/5400II - or what? >> > > Since I was also mostly interesting in doing 35mm B&W I went for the > Dual IV. You can get one very very cheap now (less then $200 for a > factory re-certified unit from B&H) and the scanning is very good > (16bit/channel, high DMAX, 16x over sampling). The more expensive > scanners provide slightly more DPI in the scans and lots of expensive > features you can't even use with B&W (most of the Digital ICE options). > > Count me as a happy Dual IV user. Just got a refurbed R200 ($25 on > eBay) and my UT2 MIS ink set going on the weekend. Having a ton of > fun. Gotta upgrade to USB 2.0 in my Mac though, the scan transfer > times are painful with USB 1.1. > > chris > > ---- > Chris McKillop <cdm@...> > "I solemnly swear that I am up to no good" > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:54:02 -0800 > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > Subject: Downloading curves with a Mac > > Sometimes Mac users have trouble downloading curves from the server I use > (which tends to do some weird things). On Windows I use a right click and > "Save As" procedure. There is some equivalent to the Windows right click > that, I believe, can be used by Mac owners. Is this the correct procedure? > > > > Mac owners should do this: Control-Click on the link. You should then see a > menu with options. Choose the one that is closest to Download This to Disk. > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:10:17 -0800 > From: Peter De Smidt <pdesmidt@...> > Subject: Re: Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > > jcjacobs wrote: > >> I bought 6 different Epson 2200 cartridges at Fry's this last Friday. >> The cashier said something about "that's a lot of ink, let me get you >> a quote." He then took the cartridges to an supervisor behind the >> register counter and they appeared to look up a price on their system, >> that's my guess. The end result was I didn't get any discount so I >> don't know what was really happening. Does anyone know what was going >> on or were they just wasting my time for kicks? Was I that magic one >> cartridge short of a fabulous discount? Was this a check to see if the >> cashier could get a commission? >> >> Chris Jacobs >> >> >> > Employees at some retail stores have quite a bit of discretion when it > comes to pricing. The mark up on accessories can often be huge. For > example, I recently bought a USB cable that sold in the store for $37 > for $2.75 on employee discount, which is 5% above cost. The markup on > things like TVs or digital cameras, though, can be very, very small. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:21:51 -0500 > From: "Richard Orban" <ro@...> > Subject: RE: Epson inks at Fry's & price quote? > > What did you pay? The best price I can get is $84 each, any quantity, plus I > pay shipping. > >> ----- ------- Original Message ------- ----- >> From: "jcjacobs" <jcjacobs@...> >> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:48:19 >> >> I bought 6 different Epson 2200 cartridges at Fry's >> this last Friday. >> The cashier said something about "that's a lot of >> ink, let me get you >> a quote." He then took the cartridges to an >> supervisor behind the >> register counter and they appeared to look up a >> price on their system, >> that's my guess. The end result was I didn't get >> any discount so I >> don't know what was really happening. Does anyone >> know what was going >> on or were they just wasting my time for kicks? Was >> I that magic one >> cartridge short of a fabulous discount? 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However the rather inconsiderate actions taken > by some members of the public which as abused the trust and goodwill > of Paperandinks.com has caused us to reconsider this approach. By > publishing Paperandinks.coms' email address on a group discussion > forum on digital imaging, some members of the public have made things > difficult for staff at Paperandinks.com. Email takes time to reply > and respond, and it is something members of Paperandinks.com or > Chaudigital do not have, due to the sheer scale of emails sent and > technicality of each enquiry covered. The email address of > Paperandinks.com is used purely for the servicing the progress of > orders only and providing small levels of product information, and is > meant to be a clear line of communication with the customer on this > basis. Paperandinks.com would like to make it clear we do not wish > any of our email addresses published for purposes other than for > order servicing, and would like it to be maintained that way." > > typical plum up the a#s@ Brits! > > Maybe they should stay off the internet if they don't want to use > email... > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:02:26 -0600 > From: Larry Wangelin <lwangelin@...> > Subject: Re: OT: Type Font installation > > Scott, did you restart Photoshop after you installed the fonts? > > Larry > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:29 PM, scott_now_coming wrote: > >> When I placed them there, the fonts didn't appear in CS2 when I tried >> to use them. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 20 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:16:49 -0000 > From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> > Subject: Re: DaVinci snit > > I'll tell you one thing. Before they start naming a paper after > Leonardo they had better take care of their bronzing problems. > Leonardo hated bronzing (except with the big horse project in Milano > that never got done). > > Raphael Dean > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "mark_gatehouse" > <mark_gatehouse@...> wrote: >> >> Looks like the folks at DaVinci got their knickers in a twist over >> the B&W list >> >> http://www.paperandinks.com/acatalog/fibreglossfaq.htm >> >> 1) Does Paperandinks.com offer samples of the Da Vinci Fibre Gloss to >> customers, including those based abroad? >> >> "Paperandinks.com does have sample sheets available for purchase, but >> does not offer sample sheets to customers for free. We have done so >> in the past on the basis of goodwill for the customer to see the >> quality of the paper. However the rather inconsiderate actions taken >> by some members of the public which as abused the trust and goodwill >> of Paperandinks.com has caused us to reconsider this approach. By >> publishing Paperandinks.coms' email address on a group discussion >> forum on digital imaging, some members of the public have made things >> difficult for staff at Paperandinks.com. Email takes time to reply >> and respond, and it is something members of Paperandinks.com or >> Chaudigital do not have, due to the sheer scale of emails sent and >> technicality of each enquiry covered. The email address of >> Paperandinks.com is used purely for the servicing the progress of >> orders only and providing small levels of product information, and is >> meant to be a clear line of communication with the customer on this >> basis. Paperandinks.com would like to make it clear we do not wish >> any of our email addresses published for purposes other than for >> order servicing, and would like it to be maintained that way." >> >> typical plum up the a#s@ Brits! >> >> Maybe they should stay off the internet if they don't want to use >> email... >> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 21 > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:20:28 -0800 > From: "gcwagner" <gcwagner@...> > Subject: RE: OT: Type Font installation > > > Hello, > After you placed the fonts with the other Adobe fonts as you indicated > below. 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Is Epson 4800 overkill for me?
2006-02-21 by G Guhan Gunaratnam