I especially appreciated the wisdom in this, "So, what we can do is make
enough noise to focus attention on a potential problem that needs detailed
analysis. We can also provide information. Our system works best when
those with an interest and knowledge express themselves."
In fact, just this morning I was expressing similar thoughts on the
FineArtPhoto discussion, "I am longing for the day of a truly integrated
printing system with total synergy between hardware, software and Photoshop
that can provide not only color and broad ranges of black, white, and grays,
but also use the combination of color with blacks and gray tones to create
the classical effects of silver, platinum, palladium and piezo styles. I
think that day is coming soon."
It would be interested to hear from others what they think would be the
attributes of a "perfect" printer model. In fact, building upon the thoughts
in the first statement, it would be interesting to compile such a profile
and submit that to the marketing directors of the printer divisions of HP,
Canon, and Epson as a way of our own taking a more proactive role in their
directions. For example, truly "archival" pigments, a broad range of color
and b&w/grays with the ability to effectively use both together in a
synergistic manner (no, I don't mean just applying a tint to an image), the
ability to use sheet and roll paper of a broad range of characteristics,
etc.. Other needs, wants and desires.
Clarence W. Walker,
Creative Expression Photography
http://www.creativeexpressiononline.com
Commercial, fine-art, and stock
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Subject: [Digital BW] Digest Number 3768
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
2. I need help with carbon settings
From: "lovelipp" <arlenelove3@...>
3. Re: About to sell my 2200
From: "Peter" <spamme2001@...>
4. epson lawsuit
From: "Matt Haber" <matt@...>
5. Re: epson lawsuit
From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...>
6. Re: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
From: John <charleysfabrics@...>
7. RE: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
8. RE: Re: About to sell my 2200
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@verizon.net>
9. Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...>
10. Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
From: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@...>
11. Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...>
12. Re: epson lawsuit
From: "Greg" <dfaprinting@...>
13. 1160 clog question
From: bruce greene <bagreene@verizon.net>
14. RE: 1160 clog question
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
15. Re: 1160 clog question
From: "smthopr2000" <bagreene@...>
16. Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
From: "Andre" <am1000@...>
17. Re: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...>
18. Re: 1160 clog question
From: "cloudswimmer7774" <cloudswimmer@...>
19. RE: 1160 clog question
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
20. RE: 1160 clog question
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
21. Re: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
From: Ernst Dinkla <E.Dinkla@...>
22. Re: Questions about Using Color Settings and Workspace Profiles for
Grayscale Pr
From: G Guhan Gunaratnam <guruguhan@...>
23. Extra media types with Epson R2400
From: "john794552" <jwillyfontana@...>
24. Re: Re: Questions about Using Color Settings and Workspace Profiles
for Grayscale Pr
From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
25. Re: About to sell my 2200
From: "Helen Bach" <helenbach@hotmail.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:21:16 -0800
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
Subject: RE: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
In my experience, "congressional correspondence" gets priority attention in
governmental agencies. If a consumer letter is direct to an agency, it's
one of thousands. If it is referred by a senator or representative, it's a
whole different ballgame.
Letter writing (not just e-mails) can matter.
This is how you find the addresses to write to:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Be clear that our interests are at issue here. After naming the parties,
the first thing the complaint states is the "Products-at-Issue." The first
paragraph reads: "The Products-at-Issue are replaceable ink cartridges used
to supply ink to Epson inkjet printers for both black-and-white and
full-color printing."
Even if you use Epson inks, those prices and the progress of the B&W
printing market have been affected by healthy competition from third party
ink sellers. Suppressing competition from these ink sellers will damage the
entire market and benefit only Epson.
Epson has 100% of the desktop pigment inkjet printer market. It is
attempting to convince the U.S. government to use your tax money to give it
a similar monopoly in the inks that supply these printers.
Write (not e-mail) your representatives.
Reference the Complaint of Epson Portland, et al., February 17, 2006, filed
with International Trade Commission "In the Matter of Certain Ink
Cartridges and Components Thereof," Investigation No 337-TA- ____ .
Your letters can make the difference.
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:22:43 -0000
From: "lovelipp" <arlenelove3@aol.com>
Subject: I need help with carbon settings
I use UT7 inks,a 7600 printer and HPR. New problem: When I load the
Roark/Schwab curves for carbon, the print is very washed out, which
didn't used to happen. I uninstalled and re-installed the curves with
no luck. With no slider settings at all, I get a very cool almost
greenish print. The order of my carts, l.to r: Eboni, Lt Bl, Cyan, Mag,
Lt Cyan, Lt Mag, Yellow.They've always been in this order, and I was
always able to get the range from to cool thru sepia loading the
Roark/Scwab curves.
Now I'm using sliders instead. Has anyone worked out slider settings
that replicate the carbon tone, the medium warm and sepia?
Again, many thanks to you all,
Arlene
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:26:22 -0000
From: "Peter" <spamme2001@...>
Subject: Re: About to sell my 2200
Same here. Pittsburgh area. Purchased brand new and only on my second or
third set of
Ultrachrome carts. Original box and all the bits.
Peter.
spamme2001@...
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Ealy"
<dealy663@...> wrote:
>
> I just got an Epson 2400 to replace my 2200. I'm going to be putting it up
> on Ebay next week, but thought I'd post here and let you guys get a first
> shot at it. The printer is in good shape, it is a refurb that I got from
> Epson around June 2005. I've only run Epson Ultrachrome inks through it.
> Email me off list if you're interested. I'm in the Los Angeles area.
>
> Derek
> dealy663@...
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:40:22 -0800
From: "Matt Haber" <matt@...>
Subject: epson lawsuit
I'm currently employed by a (US) federal agency, and I want to
confirm that what Paul says is true (the individual does not get
ignored, but responses to members of congress on short response
deadlines and are carefully tracked)
-matt
In my experience, "congressional correspondence" gets priority attention
in government agencies. If a consumer letter is direct to an agency,
it's one of thousands. If it is referred by a senator or representative,
it's
a whole different ballgame.
--
Matt Haber
dance, portrait and fashion photography
http://www.matthaber.com
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:25:44 -0000
From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...>
Subject: Re: epson lawsuit
I'll tell you one thing. If they make it in anyway difficult for me to
use my K6 Piezo Tone in any Epson printer I'll jump to Canon in a NY
minute, and, I won't come back. Thank goodness I still have a couple
of printers that have no chips in them. I'll fill them with whatever I
want, whenever I want, for as long as I can.
john
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Haber"
<matt@...> wrote:
>
> I'm currently employed by a (US) federal agency, and I want to
> confirm that what Paul says is true (the individual does not get
> ignored, but responses to members of congress on short response
> deadlines and are carefully tracked)
>
> -matt
>
> In my experience, "congressional correspondence" gets priority attention
> in government agencies. If a consumer letter is direct to an agency,
> it's one of thousands. If it is referred by a senator or
representative, it's
> a whole different ballgame.
>
> --
> Matt Haber
> dance, portrait and fashion photography
> http://www.matthaber.com
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:24:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: John <charleysfabrics@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
The short answer Andre is Yes. they have two new printers in the series the
"9000" advanced Dye Printer ( 12 colours ) and the "9500" Pigment printer (
10 colours ).
John_e
Andre <am1000@...> wrote:
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> Here, I think the relevant market is desktop pigment inkjet
printers. Epson
> has 100% of this market. There is no other printer that can handle
the pure
> pigment inks we use.
>
Paul,
Would these new Canon printers come into direct competition with Epson
in the pigmented ink printer market ?
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022406canonpro9000.asp
Cheers,
André
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:27:39 -0800
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
Subject: RE: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> > I think the relevant market is desktop pigment inkjet printers.
> > Epson has 100% of this market. There is no other printer
> > that can handle the pure pigment inks we use.
> >
André wrote:
>
> Would these new Canon printers come into direct competition with Epson
> in the pigmented ink printer market ?
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022406canonpro9000.asp
Short answer:
I sure hope so, but there are a lot of unknowns with them. Are the inks
pure carbon? Any dyes? Are the pigment particles so small they'll fade
like dyes? Can these printers pump the high viscosity inks needed to keep
the best pigments in suspension? What are the prices of the printers? Will
Canon also try to monopolize its after market ink sales? What about the C86
and R220 entry level markets? Etc.
Long answer:
I don't think societies can or do allow anti-competitive, monopolistic
practices based on the hope that some future competition will cure the
problems. (Judge Bork, in his landmark book on the subject, expressed the
view that the antitrust laws that deal with these problems are justified
because they can speed the movement to competitive markets and reduce the
costs of getting there.)
Competition in price and quality is great -- the best way to organize an
economy that we know of. However, healthy competition and anarchy are not
the same. We don't allow the large organizations to arbitrarily kill the
small ones. Chicago in the 1930's is not the type of society we want.
Every game, sport, and society has rules. Stopping "anti-competitive" and
"unfair" trade practices that damage competition and consumer welfare are
among those modern western societies have evolved.
Of course, the worst possible combination would be the U.S. government
assisting a large competitor to suppress competition. But, it can happen,
especially if there is an asymmetry of information that distorts the
decision making process.
That's why my focus is on the International Trade Commission and Epson's
petition, which is aimed at convincing that agency to stop importation and
sale of competing products.
The decision makers will make the best decision they can, but they need to
hear all sides of the issue. Letters and other actions can avoid an issue
getting under the radar.
So, what we can do is make enough noise to focus attention on a potential
problem that needs detailed analysis. We can also provide information. Our
system works best when those with an interest and knowledge express
themselves.
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:27:39 -0800
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
Subject: RE: Re: About to sell my 2200
The 2200 and the large format UC K2 printers are the target of the UT-3D
inkset I'm working on. Right now the old 2200 I have appears to be dead.
However, these machines will have value as the first serious platforms for a
fully color-managed, 3 dimensional, B&W carbon color space. (Assuming Epson
doesn't wipe out our little market.)
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
>
> Same here. Pittsburgh area. Purchased brand new and only on my second or
> third set of
> Ultrachrome carts. Original box and all the bits.
>
> Peter.
> spamme2001@mindspring.com
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Derek Ealy"
> <dealy663@...> wrote:
> >
> > I just got an Epson 2400 to replace my 2200. I'm going to be putting it
> up
> > on Ebay next week, but thought I'd post here and let you guys get a
> first
> > shot at it. The printer is in good shape, it is a refurb that I got from
> > Epson around June 2005. I've only run Epson Ultrachrome inks through it.
> > Email me off list if you're interested. I'm in the Los Angeles area.
> >
> > Derek
> > dealy663@...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:57:32 -0000
From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
Of course, the worst possible combination would be the U.S. government
assisting a large competitor to suppress competition. But, it can
happen,
especially if there is an asymmetry of information that distorts the
decision making process.
------------
I agree. There is no guarantee another monopoly wouldn't come along (
Canon) and start it all over again. However, they would be up against
the same market pressures as Epson.
One thing we could do is get our empty carts and chip resetters from
China. Now you tell me how they are going to stop that? The third part
inks are totally legal. I'm not sure all the bad press is going to
help them with this one. Photographers are a very cranky lot.
John
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:17:37 -0500
From: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <editor@...m>
Subject: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
Paul Roark wrote:
>
>
>Along those lines, does anyone know where we can get copies of the EU
>finding that the chips were an illegal tie? (I think the EU found that.)
>
>
>
Here's a start:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/12/30/eu_tells_hp_et_al/
http://www.inkjetmall.com/store/info/pdf/ink-pricing.pdf
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:58:05 -0000
From: "john dean" <deanwork2003@...>
Subject: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
Thank you Keith. It is time for us lazy Americans to start thinking
about this, and that is a good start.
john
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:25:20 -0000
From: "Greg" <dfaprinting@...>
Subject: Re: epson lawsuit
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:
>
> I'll tell you one thing. If they make it in anyway difficult for me
to
> use my K6 Piezo Tone in any Epson printer I'll jump to Canon in a NY
> minute, and, I won't come back. Thank goodness I still have a couple
> of printers that have no chips in them. I'll fill them with
whatever I
> want, whenever I want, for as long as I can.
>
> john
>
In short, there will be ways to get around this with the large format
machines. Just need to get the right people working on it.
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:57:30 -0800
From: bruce greene <bagreene@verizon.net>
Subject: 1160 clog question
I've just converted my 1160 to FS-UT inks + Eboni black (using No More
Carts CIS).
I'm having a heck of a time keeping the Eboni ink running without clogs.
Previously, I had used Generations black (w/dye ink component).
My question: Is the old dye inks reacting in the parking pad with the
Ebony black and making goo? And if so, how to I remedy this?
Thanks guys!
-bruce
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:55:07 -0800
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...t>
Subject: RE: 1160 clog question
> ... Is the old dye inks reacting in the parking pad with the
> Ebony black and making goo? And if so, how to I remedy this?
>
Probably yes. I found when I rinsed the dyes off the parking pad my old
1280 suddenly stopped having the nuisance clogs of the black jets.
The junk on the pad may have left debris on the head also. So, a bias tape
or folded strip of paper towel, soaked in Windex and wiped across the head
might help.
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:22:16 -0000
From: "smthopr2000" <bagreene@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: 1160 clog question
Thanks Paul,
2 questions:
Where does one get "bias tape" (and what's it used for normally?)?
Do I need to change the parking pad, or is there a way to clean it?
-bruce
www.brucealangreene.com
> The junk on the pad may have left debris on the head also. So, a bias
tape
> or folded strip of paper towel, soaked in Windex and wiped across the head
> might help.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:25:24 -0000
From: "Andre" <am1000@...>
Subject: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:
>
>
> I agree. There is no guarantee another monopoly wouldn't come along (
> Canon) and start it all over again. However, they would be up against
> the same market pressures as Epson.
>
Now there seems to be a third player in the pigment ink printer
segment of the market. HP has also announced a new printer said
(according to them) to use pigment inks.
HP Photosmart Pro B9180 Photo Printer (A3+ size)
New 8-color HP Vivera pigment inks produce gallery-quality photos
and offer users excellent image quality, durability and performance on
a broad array of media
Exceptional durability Waterproof photos (1) that resist fading
for more than 200
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/News/Feb06/HP%20B9180.htm
Cheers,
André
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:35:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
"New 8-color HP Vivera pigment inks produce gallery-quality photos and offer
users excellent image quality, durability and performance on a broad array
of media."
The broad array of media will be something of a first for HP. Maybe it's
gonna get better quickly.
Tom Baker
Andre <am1000@...> wrote:
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:
>
>
> I agree. There is no guarantee another monopoly wouldn't come along (
> Canon) and start it all over again. However, they would be up against
> the same market pressures as Epson.
>
Now there seems to be a third player in the pigment ink printer
segment of the market. HP has also announced a new printer said
(according to them) to use pigment inks.
HP Photosmart Pro B9180 Photo Printer (A3+ size)
New 8-color HP Vivera pigment inks produce gallery-quality photos
and offer users excellent image quality, durability and performance on
a broad array of media
Exceptional durability Waterproof photos (1) that resist fading
for more than 200
http://www.photo-i.co.uk/News/Feb06/HP%20B9180.htm
Cheers,
André
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:13:21 -0000
From: "cloudswimmer7774" <cloudswimmer@...>
Subject: Re: 1160 clog question
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ... Is the old dye inks reacting in the parking pad with the
> > Ebony black and making goo? And if so, how to I remedy this?
> >
>
> Probably yes. I found when I rinsed the dyes off the parking pad my old
> 1280 suddenly stopped having the nuisance clogs of the black jets.
>
> The junk on the pad may have left debris on the head also. So, a
bias tape
> or folded strip of paper towel, soaked in Windex and wiped across
the head
> might help.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
How does one rinse off the parking pads?I too have an 1160 with a
similar problem
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:38:43 -0800
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
Subject: RE: 1160 clog question
> ...
> Where does one get "bias tape" (and what's it used for normally?)?
Any sewing shop will have it. Wal-Mart has it. The package I have is
Wrights Single Fold Bias Tape. It's 1/2" by 4 yds. It's just a nice flat
cloth of the right width to put in the channel the print head runs back and
forth is. When soaked with Windex and the printer off, I release the head,
pull it over the tape, grab the ends of the tape and pull it back and forth
across the head. I used to use a folded strip of paper towel to do this.
> Do I need to change the parking pad, or is there a way to clean it?
I think you can probably just rinse it off with Windex. I've never replaced
one.
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:43:52 -0800
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: 1160 clog question
> >
> How does one rinse off the parking pads?I too have an 1160 with a
> similar problem
>
With the printer off, move the gear on the extreme left toward you to
release the head assembly. You'll see a little peg near the bottom of the
head assembly move down, out of the way. Then you can move the head
assembly to the left. This exposes the parking pad. I use a syringe with
Windex in it to rinse the pad. I sometimes use a paper towel to soak up the
Windex-ink mix on the surface.
For unclogging a printer hear, it is sometimes useful to soak the pad and
move the head back over it so that the head sits in the Windex overnight.
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:21:19 +0100
From: Ernst Dinkla <E.Dinkla@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Epson files lawsuits against cartridge resellers
Andre wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
> <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
>>
>> I agree. There is no guarantee another monopoly wouldn't come along (
>> Canon) and start it all over again. However, they would be up against
>> the same market pressures as Epson.
>>
>
> Now there seems to be a third player in the pigment ink printer
> segment of the market. HP has also announced a new printer said
> (according to them) to use pigment inks.
This sounds really good. Three to compete. All three allow 1.5
mm thick media (Canon Pixma IPF5000 not the 9000). Wilhelm test.
Not the right time for Epson to start barking up the wrong
tree (third party chips) when real competition moves in. Next
ones will be Dell and Lexmark.
Ernst
--
Ernst Dinkla
www.pigment-print.com
( unvollendet )
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 05:41:27 -0500
From: G Guhan Gunaratnam <guruguhan@...>
Subject: Re: Questions about Using Color Settings and Workspace Profiles for
Grayscale Pr
Thanks a lot for the information Clayton and Steve, it was very helpful in
clearing up some, but not all, the questions :) (of course I have a slew
more)
So I'm deciding on the 2400, and the calibrated monitor approach. If I
understand correctly, I should then look at Harrington's QTR Create ICC.
Steve, you say there are two components, inbound, and outbound. Are these
equivalent to a monitor profile and printer profile?
So I'll use my profile from my DisplayOne as a system colour profile, and in
Photoshop I can use the QTR soft-proof (inbound) profile to proof my B&W
prints...correct?
Steve, thanks a lot for offering to share your 4800 profiles. How hard will
it be for me to get 2400 profiles? Are downloads available anywhere over
the net (I've just joined the QTR group).
Does QTR support colour printing profiles (and are users making profiles for
K3 inks printed in colour onto various types of paper)? I will be using one
2400 for both colour and B&W.
Is there a printing workflow detailed on the web using QTR on a 2400
(starting from a converted & corrected digital capture)?
Clayton: Am I correct in thinking that you believe (and others too), that
Eboni inks are superior to the K3 inks? (not only d-max, but other qualities
as well). (If I use BO with Eboni, vs. your 2400 K3 workflow, I'll get
better blacks, less shifting, etc with the Eboni...right?)
I cannot use a BO printing method on the 2400 unless I use a RIP...correct?
Finally, will using a more expensive RIP (like Colorbyte or ImagePrint)
remove any headaches, ease any of the work? (having pre-made profiles for a
number of papers seems to be of great value).
Thanks again, have a good weekend
gu
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:35:11 -0000
From: "john794552" <jwillyfontana@...>
Subject: Extra media types with Epson R2400
Ian Lyons from Computer-Darkroom states on his site that many Epson
printers ship with ICC media profiles for papers other than Epson.'The
PIM driver may need to be installed'. Is this true with my newly
acquired Epson R 2400. I have looked on the cd rom that comes with the
printer, and the file names on there are not helpful in identifying
those for which I am looking, if indeed they exist.
If they do, anyone able to give guidance on how to load them into the
R2400 Proprties dialog box, for selection at the time of setup for
printing.
Many thanks
John Fontana.
PS This site has been a marvellous fund of information for someone
grapeling for the first time with setting up the R2400!
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:19:57 +0000
From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Questions about Using Color Settings and Workspace Profiles
for Grayscale Pr
> From: G Guhan Gunaratnam <guruguhan@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 05:41:27 -0500
> To: "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com"
> <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Conversation: Questions about Using Color Settings and Workspace Profiles
for
> Grayscale Pr
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Questions about Using Color Settings and
Workspace
> Profiles for Grayscale Pr
>
> Thanks a lot for the information Clayton and Steve, it was very helpful in
> clearing up some, but not all, the questions :) (of course I have a slew
> more)
>
> So I'm deciding on the 2400, and the calibrated monitor approach. If I
> understand correctly, I should then look at Harrington's QTR Create ICC.
> Steve, you say there are two components, inbound, and outbound. Are these
> equivalent to a monitor profile and printer profile?
No I was referring to the A2Bx versus the B2Ax tags within an ICC profile.
It's worth having a look at the contents of an ICC profile at some point.
If you have a Mac this can be easily done with Colorsync Utility. If you
have a Windows machine you can download a profile inspector from
www.color.org Bruce Fraser's Real World Color Management book is a
fantastic resource. Buy it new or used, or rent it from your local library
(or even read it in store).
Colour management is becoming more and more pervasive and an issue that
people should understand more. Were it not for the fact that Microsoft is
so far behind on the issue, people would be dealing with it a lot more today
(printing from Excel and Powerpoint etc should all be colour managed). This
will likely change when or if they finally put out a decent operating
system.
Try to take the time to learn the terminology that is used, what the
differences are between various types of profiles, the nuances involved and
the basis of colour management from a _sound_ footing. A little investment
will be rewarded greatly. The above book will do this well.
>
> So I'll use my profile from my DisplayOne as a system colour profile, and
in
> Photoshop I can use the QTR soft-proof (inbound) profile to proof my B&W
> prints...correct?
QTR Create ICC creates "output profiles" because we are profiling a printer
which is an output device. (Input profiles are for input devices such as
digital cameras or scanners. Output profiles are for output devices such
printers. We then have workspaces, such as Adobe RGB which are not device
specific. An image file can have an ICC profile embedded in it so that the
profile travels with it. This embedded profile can be any ICC profile.
Typically a file from say a scanner will be converted from the scanner space
(as defined by its profile) to a workspace for editing and then to an output
printer space for printing. So you can see the colour management chain from
input to edit to output. The Colour Management Module or CMM manages these
conversions for us. Take a look at your colour settings in PS and see that
you choose there which CMM you want PS to use.)
An output profile has to have information or tables for 2 things. It has to
have a table for conversion TO the printer space (I loosely referred to this
as the outbound leg) and also a table for converting FROM the printer space.
The latter is used for simulations and proofing. FROM the printer to the
display ie soft proofing. I loosely referred to this as the inbound leg.
>
> Steve, thanks a lot for offering to share your 4800 profiles. How hard
will
> it be for me to get 2400 profiles? Are downloads available anywhere over
> the net (I've just joined the QTR group).
This is an area we need to get organised a little better. If I had a 2400 I
would happily share the QTR ICC profiles I would create with users who have
paid the QTR shareware fee. Unfortunately I don't own the printer (yet).
I need to update the download package with my more recent profiles but it's
worth people taking a look at the 4800 profiles I have done. Set up soft
proofs in PS in the normal fashion (Perceptual Intent with Black Point
Compensation - I don't bother with checking paper white and ink black) with
each of the profiles and flick between them. You can see how easy it is to
check and edit images with full hue proofing of Epson Adv B&W. I'll try to
update the profiles on my download site later today but the older ones are
available here:
http://homepage.mac.com/stevekale/stevekale2/FileSharing37.html
>
> Does QTR support colour printing profiles (and are users making profiles
for
> K3 inks printed in colour onto various types of paper)? I will be using
one
> 2400 for both colour and B&W.
No it does not. But there are many packages available for doing this.
>
> Is there a printing workflow detailed on the web using QTR on a 2400
> (starting from a converted & corrected digital capture)?
Not sure. But you use these profiles in exactly the same fashion as you
would for colour ICC profiles.
>
> Clayton: Am I correct in thinking that you believe (and others too), that
> Eboni inks are superior to the K3 inks? (not only d-max, but other
qualities
> as well). (If I use BO with Eboni, vs. your 2400 K3 workflow, I'll get
> better blacks, less shifting, etc with the Eboni...right?)
Eboni performs better than Epson MK on some papers but generally not as well
on Epson papers. Because I like to print on HPR (it's so cheap when bought
in the US rather than the UK) I use Eboni because it does a little better
than Epson MK.
>
> I cannot use a BO printing method on the 2400 unless I use a
RIP...correct?
Yes. Epson don't consider BO as a photographic workflow and upgraded black
printing (which they consider a text/graphics workflow) with the 2400 to use
all the k inks.
>
> Finally, will using a more expensive RIP (like Colorbyte or ImagePrint)
> remove any headaches, ease any of the work? (having pre-made profiles for
a
> number of papers seems to be of great value).
You don't need this. I think you will be very very impressed with the
2400's capability in B&W and colour out of the box. The colour printing
uses colour ICC profiles. The Epson Adv B&W printing does not and hence QTR
Create ICC is very useful for plugging this gap.
Have fun!
Steve
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:32:08 -0000
From: "Helen Bach" <helenbach@...>
Subject: Re: About to sell my 2200
I agree with Paul - there are plenty of good reasons to hang on to a
perfectly good 2200, especially if you are doing B&W: Paul's new ink
set; Cone K6 or K7 or other similar set including DIY; the K3 B&W ink
set I use that doesn't need swapping between MK and PK cartridges and
includes Krystal Topkote; Nanochromes and more - all of which could
complement an R2400.
Failing that, you could save it for a mass printer-smash protest in
front of the Epson headquarters. "Refill this"
Best,
Helen
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "Derek Ealy"
<dealy663@...> wrote:
>
> I just got an Epson 2400 to replace my 2200. I'm going to be putting
it up
> on Ebay next week, but thought I'd post here and let you guys get a
first
> shot at it. The printer is in good shape, it is a refurb that I got
from
> Epson around June 2005. I've only run Epson Ultrachrome inks through
it.
> Email me off list if you're interested. I'm in the Los Angeles area.
>
> Derek
> dealy663@...
>
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