"Are you saying it's not possible for a reasonably intelligent person to take the 4-day Black and White Digital Fine Print workshop (K7) at Cone's and produce gallery quality prints from artist's files in a very short time?" I haven't taken the Cone course but I did take George deWolfe's one week b&w digital printing course at the Palm Beach Photographic Workshops. If Cone's is as good as George's you certainly can make very good prints after taking that workshop. Whether they're "gallery quality" in a "very short time" depends on what you mean by those terms. I don't think you'll be making prints ready to be hung in MOMA after taking a four day workshop. OTOH, I think you can make very good prints in a short time (maybe a month or two) if you go into the workshop with a working knowledge of Photoshop, do some study on your own before and after the workshop, and have done some digital printing before the workshop. I think it helps a lot if you were a good darkroom printer before moving to digital. Obviously different people learn at different rates and, more importantly, some are simply more talented than others and so will make things better faster. But in general I don't think it takes years and years to make very good prints digitally, assuming you have the innate ability to do so (and if you don't have that innate ability years and years won't help much). ---- Original Message ----- From: "John Moody" <moodymz3@...> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: RE: [Digital BW] state of the art archival b/w digital out put -----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of john dean Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:06 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] state of the art archival b/w digital out put It isn't any easier than anything else. When photography came along people thought it could make them instant artists; it didn't. When digital output came along people thought it would make them instantly creative art printmakers, it won't anymore than the old chemical days. You have to put in years like he said to be really good, and some people don't have what it takes even after many years. I know photographers who still can't see color well after decades of hard work, while other students see it very quickly. Black and white is even more difficult. As for high-end printmaking, most people can't do it anymore than someone who has the cash on hand to buy a great jazz guitar will make them a concert quality musician. I can tell you exactly what you need to buy and what you need to read to be a musican, but that won't produce the art. You many have it or you may not. There are no shortcuts no matter what the Epson ads tell you. There is no manual to tell you how to think visually, only technically. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [Digital BW] state of the art archival b/w digital out put
2006-03-10 by Brian Ellis
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