Olivier wrote:
> You run into a different
>> problem with smaller dots, the placing of the smaller dots
>> gets far more irregular than they are with larger dots. The
>> differences between smaller droplet contents is higher than
>> between larger droplets contents.
>
> Ok, you have a point. With the new x800 generation, do you feel
> (finger in the air) that 1)this physical precision has improved, 2)
> the new K3 resin-coated formulation plays a big and different role in
> dot gain, overprint effects...What makes me think this is that the
> OEM calibration Colorbase can only be used in 2880dpi whichever media
> type.
>
> I'm sorry I can't get the translation of a "droplet content". I'm
> French.
1/ another grey ink added does wonders, no I don't think that
precision became much better, speed was more important, there
must a trade off between the two 2/ Yes, I think the 9800
range could be better for gloss printing in the first place
and isn't as good for matte as the 9600 range was. At least we
start to think that over here. The 9800 is also harder to
adapt to third party inks. However with a RIP it must be
possible.
Pardon, I'm Dutch so it will not be proper English either.
Combien d'encre par une goutellete (had to look up that word
:-) 3.5 picoliter could be 3 or 4 picoliter.
> The pro printers almost
>> always had larger droplets than the desktop models and Epson
>> mentioned that consistency of droplet size was more important.
>> So you either choose for a more precise dot placement but
>> slightly rougher screen or you go for a finer dot with more
>> fluctuation in the density and in detail. The Dmax will not be
>> better at 100% when there's no white left. The control of the
>> 95-100% range isn't better with smaller dots either.
>
> That partly replies the above, but you might refer to the x600
> printers (?).
To all the pro printers in time compared to the
consumer/desktop models of the same generation.
>> At the highest resolution the number of droplet sizes get
>> less. The evolution we have seen with increased resolution is
>> a smaller minimum droplet size, more droplet sizes, more grey
>> inks. For a good reason as just making droplets smaller isn't
>> working.
>
> I'd have thought that all those elements precisely call for smaller
> drops. Basically, if the purpose is smoothness, maximum shades
> reproduction (grey values), detailed prints and media coverage,...
> one has to combined a precisely built head (your link) to be capable
> of as small as possible dots (for smoothness and dotless prints)
> dithered by a first-class driver (for the best trade off between
> value/detail) with a variable density ink set (for maximum shades
> reproduction) with ink formulation that combines both right pigment
> load and eventually low dot gain.
I think you see it as a theoretical concept. I guess the Epson
heads have their limitations as well. So is the hardware and
software that drives them. The Canon pages I gave the link too
may be exaggerating the limitations but they are revealing
some basic requirements for further developments. For all the
three inkjet head technologies. It is also interesting that
Canon goes for a 16 bit driver with this technology. This
could go two ways, at last there is the hardware that can
represent the 16 bit smoothness, color accuracy and/or they
need the 16 bit to get it all controlled.
>
> I've seen K3 lacking a L-LLK, and somehow lacking (a bit) Dmax, so
> I'm at a stage where I wonder whether on principle highest dpi
> setting for smallest drop possible would eventually better the print
> at all levels without generating issues like dot registration, drop
> size... I also count on a reasonnably long overlap and some
> significant extra K blackboost to smooth the print yet give good
> Dmax.
>
> Does that all make sense or not worth trying ?
For one reason or another it has always been hard to develop a
continuous tone printing technology that has a high Dmax +
consistency in output + sharp detail. That was so with
Collotype, Screenless Offset, Conventional Rotogravure,
Woodbury Type to add an odd one as the last. For process
control you see that they don't push the pure concept but add
better controllable technology and make it a hybrid process
like the semi halftone in modern rotogravure shows. I think
that inkjet right now is very close to the ideal that the
other processes tried to achieve. With a hybrid of all tone
forming elements known in printing as one only couldn't
achieve that goal. Your infinite small droplets has it
limitations as described. Best example that they tried before
is the Iris printer with its continues one size droplet stream
(though then with larger droplets). It had wonderful smooth
gradations, good color but lacked sharp detail and the printer
needed a lot of maintenance for consistent work. It has been
replaced by the Epson head technology. The successor of the
last could be Canon's new heads. It can pump a lot of small
droplets to the right place, so they are trying again.
Ernst
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Re: [Digital BW] How is ink limitation performed ?
2006-03-30 by Ernst Dinkla
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