Digital BW, The Print

Thanks for checking John.  And it will ot keep me from using it either but as I mentioned 
earlier, I hate paying a Premium Price when, considering the times when those dots show 
up in the white border/Signature/Title area, I might have to either reprint or cut out as 
waste a large section of this expensive paper.  I have had to do both before as I hate 
delivering a print which is not perfect.  If it is in the image area as you mention, then its no 
big deal.  Also, as I said before, I have yet to see even 1 roll of paper or large sheet box 
where these dots where not present!  That tells me its something in the manufacturing 
process for this particular paper.  It's not random so I would bet its being made by a 
Machine.

As for the other question on Flaking.  Never seen it happen yet with Museum Etching.  I do 
brush, particularly at the start of rolls.

Tariq


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> 
wrote:
>
> Answering two questions about ME.
> 
> 1. Flaking, etc.- No I have had absolutely no scuffing, flaking or
> motteling of surface of this paper. I've been laying down a lot of
> pure Piezo Tone total black in fairly large areas of moderate sized
> prints and they all look smooth, deep, and great. But..look I've only
> been using this paper a few weeks its new, but my first impression is
> that it is tougher than both German Etching and Photorag, but that is
> hard to say so early in the game.
> 
> 2. RE:  small dark spot marks along the lenght of the paper -
> Well I rolled out the only roll I have left of the Musuem Etching
> today and sure enough Tariq was right - along about a 4 foot strip of
> my roll I found these little dark spots in a straight line about every
> 5" or so, medium grey actually, embedded in the paper. They look like
> lint or something on the surface but it is someting embedded in the
> paper making process and deep in the fiber. I looked through all the
> prints I have made from the previous roll and I found one of about 8
> 16x20 & 20x24 prints that had it on there in three places on that
> print. I was able to etch them off with a sharp exacto knife but I
> don't like the idea of that! If it occurs in the image area you
> wouldn't see it. If it occurs in the white border, you might confuse
> it with a dirt spec sitting on the surface of the paper.
> 
> I have seen flaws like this in canvas or silk before but not in rag
> paper. I don't know what it is. It could have been in the coating
> mixture, I have no idea. This certaily want stop me from using this
> paper because it is working great for me in every other way but, you
> can bet I'll keep  my eye on it from now on. 
> 
> I'm going go forward this to Jim and also Hahnemuhle so they find out
> what is going on.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> "tariqgibranstudio" <tariqgibranstudio@> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> > 
> > The flaws are very subtle, little tiny specks really sort of like if
> you touched a ball point 
> > pen tip to the paper.  It might be something that most people would
> not notice.  I have yet 
> > to get ANY Museum Etching rolls which do not exhibit this.  It
> usually also is on at least 
> > one sheet of the 17"x22" size in each pack.  I'm sure it must have
> something to do with 
> > the manufacturing process.  Other than that, it is definately my
> favorite paper at the 
> > moment.  It is more durable than German Etching as it is 100% Cotton
> Rag, not the weaker 
> > Alpha Cellulose of the German Etching.  I have yet to see any
> flaking with it which I 
> > occasionally saw with German Etching but of course now I always
> brush the paper before 
> > printing.  It just irks me a bit that I'm paying more for the Museum
> Etching and I have yet 
> > to see a perfect roll or Box.  On a rolls, its not just one dot but
> many every so many feet 
> > vertically but only one horizontally.  If you look closely, I bet
> you will notice it.  I would be 
> > curious to hear from anyone else who has seen this or might know why
> these dots are 
> > there.  They were not there on the German Etching at all.
> > 
> > Tariq
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
> <deanwork2003@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Tariq,
> > > 
> > > Oh no. That is terrible. No, I've seen no flaws in the about 4 rolls
> > > of the Museum Etching that I've used so far. I don't know if this is
> > > just my experience or not but this paper seems a lot more durable than
> > > German Etching, far less tender, and I've been putting a lot blacks
> > > down on it. It seems  more like the Innova coating but with better
> > > dmax. I sure hope I don't experience any problem because this is my
> > > new favourite paper because I'll send it back, immediately. I'm about
> > > to do two large portfolios with this stuff and I can't deal with that.
> > > 
> > > I'll tell you right now I've been using Hahnemuhle papers for about 6
> > > years, every month, and never have I had a quality control problem of
> > > any kind. It has been my most consistently good media. I don't think
> > > that is luck, I think it is a good German craftsmanship. I will keep a
> > > look out though. Thanks for the forewarning. 
> > > 
> > > John
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  I see these small tiny black or gray dots every so many feet.  Looks
> > > like 
> > > > where a machine has handled or marked it.  Never ever saw this with
> > > German Etching and 
> > > > its a real issue as It will almost invaribly end up in a white
> > > border or margin ever so often 
> > > > unless I waste some of this very expensive paper.  Have you seen
> this?  
> > > > 
> > > > Tariq
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean"
> > > <deanwork2003@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > For the life of me I can't understand you guys paying that kind of
> > > > > money for sheet of rag media. To me it is just not even
> something I
> > > > > would remotely consider at those prices. I have only had one issue
> > > > > with using good roll media, and that is flattening the prints
> > > > > afterwards, and that is certainly no big deal for me. I brush the
> > > > > media quickly while on the machine with a large drafting
> brush, and I
> > > > > have no flaking problems at all anymore. But the key for me
> was when I
> > > > > bought the 53" Rototrim paper cutter that will accept the
> width of the
> > > > > lare rolls, it costs $700.00. But I got it half price with a
> teacher
> > > > > discount. This self sharpening device has been my most loyal
> friend
> > > > > for 5 years and is still like new. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > As a matter of fact for roll paper I am using the very thick
> > > > > Hahnemuhle Museum Etching rag now at 350 gsm and the 9600 cuts
> through
> > > > > it completely just fine. Even the old 7000 scores is so well I
> just
> > > > > tear it off very easily, however usually what I do in a print
> run is
> > > > > stroke the edges of each print in PS with a thin grey line and
> take
> > > > > them to the Rototrim all at once with a number of prints on
> that roll.
> > > > > I couldn't imagine sitting here feeding a sheet at a time like
> a robot
> > > > > all day. I'd rather be in the other room watching a DVD or or
> working
> > > > > on the drum scaner or another printer. What I would really like to
> > > > > have is one of those mechanized roll up devices for the bottom
> of the
> > > > > printer that would allow you to print a half a roll or more at
> a time
> > > > > out of a good rip. Now that would make me money while I sleep.
> I do
> > > > > all my proofing of many things at once and evaluate all that way
> > > > > before the final output.
> > > > > 
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>