Digital BW, The Print

Thank you Steve for your answer.

But despite your explanation it´s not really clear for me how to 
print the charts, please be patient, my english isn´t verry good.
Maybe it will be the best if I start to explain my workflow when I 
calibrate my 4800 for Color printing. 
It´s quite easy, I start the Eye-One Match Software, select the 
Chart I would like to print and the Epson Driver appears.
I cancel all the Colorsettings, choose Manual Settings and there I 
switch off Colormanagement. The print comes out of the printer. You 
know the rest, measuring and creating of the icc profile...

The different thing to the QTR-Chart printing is, that I should 
print the File from PS and so I have a lot more options to choose 
from. 

I open the Chart "Leave as is", say "Print with Preview" and than 
the confusion starts. 
"Position" and "Scaled Print Size" is clear as daylight.
Than I take "Color Management" not "Output" under "Print" I 
select "Document" and under "Options" I normally take "Let Photoshop 
Determine Colors" under "Printer Profile" I coose my created icc 
Profile which I also used for Softproofing and the "Rendering 
Intent" is normally "Perceptual".
I dont use the "Black Point Compensation".

So what Printer Profile should I choose if I print out the Eye-One 
Chart ?  The Default afer "Print with Preview" is "Working Gray - 
Dot Gain 10%" is this right ?
And the Rendering Intent ?

I think it is verry important to print the File with the right 
options and therefore I try to be correct.

So I would be grateful, if you could tell me your Settings in PS if 
you print the Test Chart for Eye-One.

thank you very much,

regards 
Florian
Austria/Europe





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@...> wrote:
>
> Florian
> 
> First I assume you asking about how to use QTR create ICC and not 
how to use
> QTR - the RIP - itself and creating your own ink curves.
> 
> Think of QTR's ICC profiling feature in exactly the same way as 
the colour
> management workflow you are used to.  The idea is to print a patch 
target
> without colour management but using the driver settings that you 
want to
> profile, read the target and then drop that measurement data into 
QTR Create
> ICC.  (With a package like PM5 these last two steps are just done 
together.)
> Because you are profiling "greyscale" output you print a greyscale 
target,
> or "step wedge" - the QTR download has a 51 step wedge which is 
used for
> this process.  So you open this step wedge in PS or whatever 
application you
> use in your workflow.  It is an untagged document and you want to 
Do Not
> Color Management This Document (or whatever the exact wording is 
that PS
> uses).  Print the step wedge/target with the driver and settings 
you wish to
> profile - without colour management just like doing  colour 
profile.  If,
> for example, you want to profile a particular QTR ink curve (or 
curve
> combination...eg 50% warm/cold) then you'd print this target from 
PS with No
> Color Management and then select the appropriate curve and other 
settings in
> QTR.  You might also want to profile Epson's Adv B&W if you have a 
K3
> printer in which case you'd select the Epson driver (still with No 
Color
> Management out of PS), Adv B&W and the particular Epson Adv B&W 
settings you
> want to profile.  So the target is a set of stimulus and you are 
going to
> measure the printed output, ie the response of the particular
> printer/driver/settings.  Take the printed target and measure it 
with
> MeasureTool For each target there is a reference text file and you 
need to
> select this reference file in MT so that it knows the nature of 
the target
> you are going to measure.  Once you have the measurement data 
saved as a
> text file, simply drag and drop this file onto the QTR Create ICC 
Profile
> application.  You'll get an ICC profile and a useful information 
file in the
> folder from which you'd dragged the original measurement data.  
The ICC
> profile is used in the normal fashion.  You can set up a proof 
with it in
> PS.  When you print an image you Let Photoshop Determine Colors 
and use this
> ICC profile and the Perceptual Intent with BPC, much in the same 
way as yoou
> would with a colour image.  Obviously the profile is only relevant 
for the
> particular settings (driver - QTR or Adv B&W - and settings/ink 
curves) you
> used to print the target.  If you want to print an image with 
different
> settings or curves you need to use a profile made with those other
> settings/curves.
> 
> Your images do not need to be in the GG2.2 space - in fact, the 
whole point
> is that the profile and CMM do the conversion from any space to 
the print
> space (as "captured" by your stimulus-response measurements that 
have been
> encapsulated in the profile you made).
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: john dean <deanwork2003@...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:36:49 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] QTR Calibration
> > 
> > What you do, is to assign the file grey gamma 2.2, print the grey
> > target using QTR as your print driver which is being hosted by 
Photoshop.
> > 
> > When you get to the curve interface of QTR to set your curves, 
assign
> > no curves, under Modes set to QuadTone RIP Calibration.
> > 
> > Now all this functions a little differently depending on the 
inkset
> > used, for final output because different inksets were designed 
for
> > different grey spaces. For instance with the 9600 and 
Ultrachomre I
> > use gg 2.2 as source space while with Cone NK6 I use greymatte 
paper
> > space as a tagged space. I suspect that when you select QTR
> > Calibration Mode this is converting everything to LAB space 
anyway but
> > I am not sure about that. You need to read all the info included 
in
> > the  ICC Create folder. If you still have problems the place to 
ask
> > for specific info is the yahoo QTR List.
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QuadtoneRIP/. Join it today.
> > 
> > John 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "roschko_leolevin" <g.flo@> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi, 
> >> 
> >> I am a newbie wit B&W Printing and QTR. I know how to use
> >> Colormanagement and Softproof and so on ...
> >> But in B&W are things different.
> >> Now I try to make a icc Profile with Profilemaker 5 and my Eye-
one.
> >> There is the Manual in the Eye-one Folder after installing QTR, 
but
> >> there is nothing about printing the Test Charts.
> >> Where do you print this Charts ?
> >> Photoshop ?
> >> which Settings do you use ?
> >> 
> >> thank´s for your answer
> >> 
> >> Florian
>