Digital BW, The Print

Thanks for the detailed response Clayton.

I'll do a small test of my own.

You recommend Red River's Dourian and Aurora Art papers… Is it safe 
to say that the yellowing problem is all but gone with these papers?

Do you think that the Dourian Art is closer in texture and output to 
EEM?

I'm printing about 50 – 100 images each month and filing them in 
Itoya Art folders. Naturally, I want these images to look good 50+ 
years from now.
 
At the rate I'm printing these papers are about as much as I can 
afford.

The Epson Ultra Smooth and Velvet are just too much $.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones" 
<cj@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Kevin,
> 
> >and maybe I'm not reading it correctly, is "EEM w/ K3 inks 
> >using "Advanced B&W mode" for "Album/Dark Storage" which 
> >includes "Paper Yellowing" rated at 110 years.
> >Is this not a rating of the K3 ink used in combination w/ EEM 
paper?
> >Is ozone really going to effect my paper in a dark storage album?
> 
> You are asking questions for which most of us I think do not have
> answers.  Would be best to ask Wilhelm, since he wrote the report. 
> The experience of most long time forum people (gathered from 
comments
> here over several years) is that EEM turns yellow in a relatively
> short time (a few months).  Perhaps in dark storage it delays
> yellowing, but can you guarantee that nobody will open your photos 
and
> expose them to light or atmosphere?  Epson used to call it "Archival
> Matte" and got so much grief for it they finally changed it to
> "Enhanced Matte".  No serious printer in his/her right mind 
considers
> it an archival paper.  It's great proof paper and is widely used 
for that.
> 
> If you want to make final prints on it then go ahead and do it.  But
> it goes against the experience and advice of many long time
> practitioners.  A VFA box says "Acid Free" on the cover.  The EEM 
box
> does not.  Someone here, Paul I think, was able to measure it's acid
> content if I remember correctly.  My own experience is that it 
turns a
> dingy pale yellow relatively quickly and then slowly continues
> yellowing.  I have an EEM print on my windowsill almost 3 years now
> that looks a bit yellower than another that's been hanging in my 
work
> room for around two years, and both of them are much yellower than a
> fresh sheet.  If you don't mind it changing rapidly and continually
> and don't mind the dingy color then go ahead and use it.
> 
> The best route would be to conduct your own tests.  Make a print on 
it
> and let it sit around for a few months.  Every week compare it to a
> fresh piece and see what happens.  Then you can form your own 
opinions
> of it and act accordingly.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>