Digital BW, The Print

Ken, I was not a person in charge of ink buying at a studio that was
invested in Cone Ink and software, but a user. The earlier Cone "archival"
inks did indeed fade and turn greenish. I did not jump on that band wagon,
but have been a user of the next generation inks, Piezo Tone after Sundance
and have not seen any of those prints fade or turn green. I have blended the
cool tones and the Sepia set, but mostly just straight sepia set for years
now with IP 5.0, 5.5, 5.6, and 6.0. I have also played with QTR and have not
been able to match print smoothness of an IP print with QTR and the Epson
7000 with Piezo Sepia set. 

 

I have not tried the MIS inks because there are only so many hours in a day
and customers already started selling their "platinum looking" ink jets. 

 

Fade data on MIS??? I don't know. I do know that some of the best help is
offered by users rather than makers of inks and ink jet printers. If this
group seems more supportive of MIS, perhaps it is because they were better
supported? 

 

Ultimately though, the only way to know is look at some prints made with
both on a range of papers by skilled users that can share their insights. 

 

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street

Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

http://e.neilsen.home.att.net

http://ericneilsenphotography.com

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Carney
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:00 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Cone v. MIS

 


Tyler,

This is very interesting. I have some "old" Cone prints that are...green.
I think the idea was that they were to emulate bromide papers but, they were
green. I don't print large prints, an 11 x 15X image size being my largest,
so my Epson 2200 with IP6 works well. Assuming, arguendo, that I am using
IP6 and its profiles correctly, what improvements would I expect with the
Cone K7 inkset and the QTR RIP? My favorite paper is Innova smooth white
cotton, which I see is one that produces neutral tones, from the Cone site.
I apologize if this question is too vague, but I am thinking of buying a
2400 for color semi-gloss prints and dedicating the 2200 to a b&w inkset.
Also, any thoughts about clogging, since I may go 2-3 weeks without
printing? The Epson OEM inks seem immune to this treatment. Thx for any
help.

Regards,

Ken Carney
www.kencarney.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhit
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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit
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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tyler
> Boley
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:00 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhit
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eThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Cone v. MIS
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > ... There seems to be a preference toward MIS over
> > > Cones B&W inksets. Could someone fill me in on the reason? ...
> >
> > I was reluctant to respond to this.
> 
> Me too, but no one else seems to have expressed a perspective similar
> to mine, so...
> I use Cone inks and have for some time. I also will be doing my
> workshop first with Cone next week. I think it's fair top assume most
> people familiar with me on the lists associate me with Cone. However
> that is only loose affiliation, I have a long time admiration for
> Jon's contributions to digital printing and like the products. He
> knows though, as well as others that know me, I would switch to
> something else in a heartbeat if the prints were more beautiful. I've
> used Cone, MIS, Lyson, all kinds of inks over the years, I'm unfaithful.
> 
> This list started as a place for people to talk non-Cone B&W
> specifically, as there was no other forum. For a long time Cone users
> felt a bit persecuted here and went away. Also, Cone's products (I'm
> trying to say this and stay objective) have evolved to the point that
> they just work. There is very little list activity anywhere. I'm in
> regular contact with other users, they are not on these lists. They
> are printing. You do, of course, hear the occasional horror story, as
> with any product.
> 
> I had many experiences that made me leave the other manufacturers
> behind, they were definitive. I have not posted anything negative
> about anyone's ink in a long time, except perhaps Lyson's mono
> inksets. I'm just not going to do that any more unless I find a
> product is truly a rip off.
> 
> Fortunately there is more delineation between these two company's
> products now, and I really think the competition is very healthy.
> I would strongly advise people to learn as much about the unique
> qualities of the products, and if at all possible get sample prints
> from users at the least. You need to find which is most applicable to
> your needs. The lists are no longer indicative of anything other than
> the opinions of a specific group of people who happened to congregate
> for unique reasons. Their nature has evolved dramatically since I
> wandered into the old leben list years ago without a clue.
> 
> There is no "best", only a best for you, and that could be temporary.
> Tyler
> www.custom-digital.com

 



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