Digital BW, The Print

Hello Paul.
I would hope support for the old 3000 wasn't dumped. It is too much of
a reliable workhorse for 16x20s to give up. Likewise the old 7000/7500
machines are now working their way down to non power users who for
various reasons cannot justify new large machines. It would be a shame
to narrow the playing field IMO.

As the topic is the UTFS&N inks, I have a question in relation to the
Photo Black inks for these sets. Are the UTFS PK and the UTFSN PK  the
same ink or do they have differences?

Regards
Duane




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> The FS curves are still there.  I just would do something different
today.
> You'll be able to make fine prints with it.  However, I suspect the
number
> of old Piezo software users and users of printers that need the
light inks
> is shrinking substantially.  
> 
> One problem I've had with the early inksets is that all that light ink
> overloads the glossy papers.  In fact, I just had to re-do my 7500 FSN+
> profile for Premier Art 205 because it was overloading that paper,
which I
> happen to like.  The UT2 also came out of the experience with the UT1
> overloading papers.  Too much light ink is a problem for many papers.
> 
> On my web page, the newer inksets tend to be those on the top of the
index.
> Given the progress that is being made in this technology, I'd tend
to favor
> the new over the old.  I don't know how the FS even with PK will do
on Crane
> Silver Rag, but I, personally, would definitely want an inkset that does
> well on that paper.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Michael
> > Kitei
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:50 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] UT-2 vs. UT-FS / FSN
> > 
> > What a disappointment. When I saw the FSN UT set I assumed that it
> > was the solution to a totally neutral grey. Then when I saw that you
> > had created a downloadable curve for it I figured you supported it,
> > so I bought two sets. I guess there's a lesson there.
> > 
> > Mike
> > On Aug 25, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
> > 
> > > The FS inksets (now called UT-FS) are monotone inksets that were
> > > made as
> > > clones of the PiezoBW inksets such that they could be used with
> > > that driver,
> > > which I once used. The light inks (M & Y positions) are not Epson
> > > standard
> > > densities, and particularly the M position ink is an odd-ball
> > > density that I
> > > don't think makes sense with modern printers. (The Y position ink
> > > still is
> > > useful in the 3000 and 7000 class of printers.) The UT-FS inksets
> > > use the
> > > same basic pigments as the UT2 (aside from the UT2 sepia, which
> > > includes
> > > some yellow, which is a relative weakling), and would, thus, be
> > > about as
> > > archival as the UT2 inkset when all but the sepia curves are used.
> > > There is
> > > no FS-Carbon, however. The warmest the FS inkset can go is medium
> > > warm.
> > > The FS has 50% of the cool pigments in it as the FSN.
> > >
> > > I at one point made monotone curves so that the FS inksets could be
> > > used on
> > > many hextone printers. It was an early attempt at an easy-to-use
> > > inkset. I
> > > would not do that now with the 1280.
> > >
> > > I do not have a 1280, but I would seriously consider the UT-R2
> > > inkset for it
> > > if you don't need sepia. The UT-R2 is intended as the "EZ" inkset
> > > for all
> > > hextone and above Epson printers. For most people a monotone inkset
> > > that
> > > can be used with either the Epson sliders or the Epson driver with
> > > a simple
> > > monotone curve or ICC made with Roy's "Create ICC" program makes
> > > the easiest
> > > to live with system. The use of all of the inks (as opposed to the
> > > sepia
> > > (Y) ink being shut off) also will produce a better print on many
> > > printers.
> > >
> > > I don't know what MIS sales look like, but if I were running that
> > > company
> > > I'd seriously consider stopping selling all UT-FS inksets except
> > > bulk Y
> > > position for the older printers. (Perhaps special order pints or
> > > more of
> > > the others.) The R2 in bulk can do almost everything. A 1280 with
> > > spongeless cart and R2 inks might be an interesting affordable 13"
> > > solution.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Craig
> > > Roberts
> > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:38 AM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] UT-2 vs. UT-FS / FSN
> > >
> > > I've been using MIS UT-2 inksets with Paul's workflows and curves
> > > in my
> > > Epson 1280 and am very pleased with the results. I was wondering,
> > > however, if -- flexibility of tone aside -- what the difference
> > > between
> > > a UT-2 and an UT-FS or FSN inkset is. Are the resulting prints the
> > > same
> > > with regard to range and longevity?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Craig
> > > Washington, DC
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
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