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2006-08-25 by Doug Fisher
I thought others here in the digital black and white printing group might find this NYT article on digitally printing Walker Evans' images to be rather interesting (you may have to reconstruct the long link): http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/25/arts/design/25evan.html?_r=1&oref=login&pa gewanted=all Doug --- BetterScanning.com - Innovative Accessories for Better Film Scanning http://www.BetterScanning.com/
2006-08-25 by Mark Savoia
That looks like a good one to see. Any guesses on printer, RIP, paper, and inks that were used? Mark
On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Doug Fisher wrote: > I thought others here in the digital black and white printing group > might > find this NYT article on digitally printing Walker Evans' images to be > rather interesting (you may have to reconstruct the long link): > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/25/arts/design/25evan.html? > _r=1&oref=login&pa > gewanted=all > > Doug
2006-08-25 by Craig Roberts
I've been using MIS UT-2 inksets with Paul's workflows and curves in my Epson 1280 and am very pleased with the results. I was wondering, however, if -- flexibility of tone aside -- what the difference between a UT-2 and an UT-FS or FSN inkset is. Are the resulting prints the same with regard to range and longevity? Thanks, Craig Washington, DC
2006-08-25 by Paul Roark
The FS inksets (now called UT-FS) are monotone inksets that were made as clones of the PiezoBW inksets such that they could be used with that driver, which I once used. The light inks (M & Y positions) are not Epson standard densities, and particularly the M position ink is an odd-ball density that I don't think makes sense with modern printers. (The Y position ink still is useful in the 3000 and 7000 class of printers.) The UT-FS inksets use the same basic pigments as the UT2 (aside from the UT2 sepia, which includes some yellow, which is a relative weakling), and would, thus, be about as archival as the UT2 inkset when all but the sepia curves are used. There is no FS-Carbon, however. The warmest the FS inkset can go is medium warm. The FS has 50% of the cool pigments in it as the FSN. I at one point made monotone curves so that the FS inksets could be used on many hextone printers. It was an early attempt at an easy-to-use inkset. I would not do that now with the 1280. I do not have a 1280, but I would seriously consider the UT-R2 inkset for it if you don't need sepia. The UT-R2 is intended as the "EZ" inkset for all hextone and above Epson printers. For most people a monotone inkset that can be used with either the Epson sliders or the Epson driver with a simple monotone curve or ICC made with Roy's "Create ICC" program makes the easiest to live with system. The use of all of the inks (as opposed to the sepia (Y) ink being shut off) also will produce a better print on many printers. I don't know what MIS sales look like, but if I were running that company I'd seriously consider stopping selling all UT-FS inksets except bulk Y position for the older printers. (Perhaps special order pints or more of the others.) The R2 in bulk can do almost everything. A 1280 with spongeless cart and R2 inks might be an interesting affordable 13" solution. Paul www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Roberts Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:38 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] UT-2 vs. UT-FS / FSN I've been using MIS UT-2 inksets with Paul's workflows and curves in my Epson 1280 and am very pleased with the results. I was wondering, however, if -- flexibility of tone aside -- what the difference between a UT-2 and an UT-FS or FSN inkset is. Are the resulting prints the same with regard to range and longevity? Thanks, Craig Washington, DC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-08-25 by Michael Kitei
What a disappointment. When I saw the FSN UT set I assumed that it was the solution to a totally neutral grey. Then when I saw that you had created a downloadable curve for it I figured you supported it, so I bought two sets. I guess there's a lesson there. Mike On Aug 25, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > The FS inksets (now called UT-FS) are monotone inksets that were > made as > clones of the PiezoBW inksets such that they could be used with > that driver, > which I once used. The light inks (M & Y positions) are not Epson > standard > densities, and particularly the M position ink is an odd-ball > density that I > don't think makes sense with modern printers. (The Y position ink > still is > useful in the 3000 and 7000 class of printers.) The UT-FS inksets > use the > same basic pigments as the UT2 (aside from the UT2 sepia, which > includes > some yellow, which is a relative weakling), and would, thus, be > about as > archival as the UT2 inkset when all but the sepia curves are used. > There is > no FS-Carbon, however. The warmest the FS inkset can go is medium > warm. > The FS has 50% of the cool pigments in it as the FSN. > > I at one point made monotone curves so that the FS inksets could be > used on > many hextone printers. It was an early attempt at an easy-to-use > inkset. I > would not do that now with the 1280. > > I do not have a 1280, but I would seriously consider the UT-R2 > inkset for it > if you don't need sepia. The UT-R2 is intended as the "EZ" inkset > for all > hextone and above Epson printers. For most people a monotone inkset > that > can be used with either the Epson sliders or the Epson driver with > a simple > monotone curve or ICC made with Roy's "Create ICC" program makes > the easiest > to live with system. The use of all of the inks (as opposed to the > sepia > (Y) ink being shut off) also will produce a better print on many > printers. > > I don't know what MIS sales look like, but if I were running that > company > I'd seriously consider stopping selling all UT-FS inksets except > bulk Y > position for the older printers. (Perhaps special order pints or > more of > the others.) The R2 in bulk can do almost everything. A 1280 with > spongeless cart and R2 inks might be an interesting affordable 13" > solution. > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > Craig > Roberts > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:38 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] UT-2 vs. UT-FS / FSN > > I've been using MIS UT-2 inksets with Paul's workflows and curves > in my > Epson 1280 and am very pleased with the results. I was wondering, > however, if -- flexibility of tone aside -- what the difference > between > a UT-2 and an UT-FS or FSN inkset is. Are the resulting prints the > same > with regard to range and longevity? > > Thanks, > > Craig > Washington, DC > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-08-25 by Paul Roark
The FS curves are still there. I just would do something different today. You'll be able to make fine prints with it. However, I suspect the number of old Piezo software users and users of printers that need the light inks is shrinking substantially. One problem I've had with the early inksets is that all that light ink overloads the glossy papers. In fact, I just had to re-do my 7500 FSN+ profile for Premier Art 205 because it was overloading that paper, which I happen to like. The UT2 also came out of the experience with the UT1 overloading papers. Too much light ink is a problem for many papers. On my web page, the newer inksets tend to be those on the top of the index. Given the progress that is being made in this technology, I'd tend to favor the new over the old. I don't know how the FS even with PK will do on Crane Silver Rag, but I, personally, would definitely want an inkset that does well on that paper. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Kitei > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:50 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] UT-2 vs. UT-FS / FSN > > What a disappointment. When I saw the FSN UT set I assumed that it > was the solution to a totally neutral grey. Then when I saw that you > had created a downloadable curve for it I figured you supported it, > so I bought two sets. I guess there's a lesson there. > > Mike > On Aug 25, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > > > The FS inksets (now called UT-FS) are monotone inksets that were > > made as > > clones of the PiezoBW inksets such that they could be used with > > that driver, > > which I once used. The light inks (M & Y positions) are not Epson > > standard > > densities, and particularly the M position ink is an odd-ball > > density that I > > don't think makes sense with modern printers. (The Y position ink > > still is > > useful in the 3000 and 7000 class of printers.) The UT-FS inksets > > use the > > same basic pigments as the UT2 (aside from the UT2 sepia, which > > includes > > some yellow, which is a relative weakling), and would, thus, be > > about as > > archival as the UT2 inkset when all but the sepia curves are used. > > There is > > no FS-Carbon, however. The warmest the FS inkset can go is medium > > warm. > > The FS has 50% of the cool pigments in it as the FSN. > > > > I at one point made monotone curves so that the FS inksets could be > > used on > > many hextone printers. It was an early attempt at an easy-to-use > > inkset. I > > would not do that now with the 1280. > > > > I do not have a 1280, but I would seriously consider the UT-R2 > > inkset for it > > if you don't need sepia. The UT-R2 is intended as the "EZ" inkset > > for all > > hextone and above Epson printers. For most people a monotone inkset > > that > > can be used with either the Epson sliders or the Epson driver with > > a simple > > monotone curve or ICC made with Roy's "Create ICC" program makes > > the easiest > > to live with system. The use of all of the inks (as opposed to the > > sepia > > (Y) ink being shut off) also will produce a better print on many > > printers. > > > > I don't know what MIS sales look like, but if I were running that > > company > > I'd seriously consider stopping selling all UT-FS inksets except > > bulk Y > > position for the older printers. (Perhaps special order pints or > > more of > > the others.) The R2 in bulk can do almost everything. A 1280 with > > spongeless cart and R2 inks might be an interesting affordable 13" > > solution. > > > > Paul > > > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > > _____ > > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Craig > > Roberts > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:38 AM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] UT-2 vs. UT-FS / FSN > > > > I've been using MIS UT-2 inksets with Paul's workflows and curves > > in my > > Epson 1280 and am very pleased with the results. I was wondering, > > however, if -- flexibility of tone aside -- what the difference > > between > > a UT-2 and an UT-FS or FSN inkset is. Are the resulting prints the > > same > > with regard to range and longevity? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Craig > > Washington, DC > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. 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2006-08-25 by Howard Shaw
I'm using UT-FS & UT-FSN sets in both my 2200 and R220 controlled by qtr. I find that UT-FS is as warm as I want to go and FSN as neutral. In a post a few months ago Paul described a recipe for darkening the M position inks and the sets are now nicely distributed similar to UT7 which I used previously. This means it's easy to swap inks in and out with for example the UT7 sepia or carbon LC if you want to go warmer. They also work well on the new generation of fibre glossy papers. I hope MIS do not phase them out. Howard Paul Roark wrote:
> The FS inksets (now called UT-FS) are monotone inksets that were made as > clones of the PiezoBW inksets such that they could be used with that driver, > which I once used. The light inks (M & Y positions) are not Epson standard > densities, and particularly the M position ink is an odd-ball density that I > don't think makes sense with modern printers. (The Y position ink still is > useful in the 3000 and 7000 class of printers.) The UT-FS inksets use the > same basic pigments as the UT2 (aside from the UT2 sepia, which includes > some yellow, which is a relative weakling), and would, thus, be about as > archival as the UT2 inkset when all but the sepia curves are used. There is > no FS-Carbon, however. The warmest the FS inkset can go is medium warm. > The FS has 50% of the cool pigments in it as the FSN. > > > > I at one point made monotone curves so that the FS inksets could be used on > many hextone printers. It was an early attempt at an easy-to-use inkset. I > would not do that now with the 1280. > > > > I do not have a 1280, but I would seriously consider the UT-R2 inkset for it > if you don't need sepia. The UT-R2 is intended as the "EZ" inkset for all > hextone and above Epson printers. For most people a monotone inkset that > can be used with either the Epson sliders or the Epson driver with a simple > monotone curve or ICC made with Roy's "Create ICC" program makes the easiest > to live with system. The use of all of the inks (as opposed to the sepia > (Y) ink being shut off) also will produce a better print on many printers. > > > > I don't know what MIS sales look like, but if I were running that company > I'd seriously consider stopping selling all UT-FS inksets except bulk Y > position for the older printers. (Perhaps special order pints or more of > the others.) The R2 in bulk can do almost everything. A 1280 with > spongeless cart and R2 inks might be an interesting affordable 13" solution. > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > > > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig > Roberts > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:38 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] UT-2 vs. UT-FS / FSN > > > > I've been using MIS UT-2 inksets with Paul's workflows and curves in my > Epson 1280 and am very pleased with the results. I was wondering, > however, if -- flexibility of tone aside -- what the difference between > a UT-2 and an UT-FS or FSN inkset is. Are the resulting prints the same > with regard to range and longevity? > > Thanks, > > Craig > Washington, DC > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2006-08-26 by gilbert Draper
Thanks, Gil --- Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote: > That looks like a good one to see. Any guesses on > printer, RIP, > paper, and inks that were used? > Mark > > On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Doug Fisher wrote: > > > I thought others here in the digital black and > white printing group > > might > > find this NYT article on digitally printing Walker > Evans' images to be > > rather interesting (you may have to reconstruct > the long link): > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/25/arts/design/25evan.html?
> > > _r=1&oref=login&pa > > gewanted=all > > > > Doug > >
2006-08-26 by Bob Michaels
Mike: I can assure you the FSN inkset in a 1280 is very good. Yes, there are better now but there's nothing wrong with what you have. Use it and enjoy your prints. Bob Michaels --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kitei <mkitei@...> wrote:
> > What a disappointment. When I saw the FSN UT set I assumed that it > was the solution to a totally neutral grey. Then when I saw that you > had created a downloadable curve for it I figured you supported it, > so I bought two sets. I guess there's a lesson there. > > Mike
2006-08-26 by Michael Kitei
Thanks to all for the reassurance. I have gotten some very nice prints off using Photo Black and Innova Fiba Gloss. Mike On Aug 26, 2006, at 12:18 AM, Bob Michaels wrote: > Mike: I can assure you the FSN inkset in a 1280 is very good. Yes, > there are better now but there's nothing wrong with what you have. Use > it and enjoy your prints. > Bob Michaels > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Michael Kitei > <mkitei@...> wrote: > > > > What a disappointment. When I saw the FSN UT set I assumed that it > > was the solution to a totally neutral grey. Then when I saw that you > > had created a downloadable curve for it I figured you supported it, > > so I bought two sets. I guess there's a lesson there. > > > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-08-26 by dlruckus
Hello Paul. I would hope support for the old 3000 wasn't dumped. It is too much of a reliable workhorse for 16x20s to give up. Likewise the old 7000/7500 machines are now working their way down to non power users who for various reasons cannot justify new large machines. It would be a shame to narrow the playing field IMO. As the topic is the UTFS&N inks, I have a question in relation to the Photo Black inks for these sets. Are the UTFS PK and the UTFSN PK the same ink or do they have differences? Regards Duane --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote: > > The FS curves are still there. I just would do something different today. > You'll be able to make fine prints with it. However, I suspect the number > of old Piezo software users and users of printers that need the light inks > is shrinking substantially. > > One problem I've had with the early inksets is that all that light ink > overloads the glossy papers. In fact, I just had to re-do my 7500 FSN+ > profile for Premier Art 205 because it was overloading that paper, which I > happen to like. The UT2 also came out of the experience with the UT1 > overloading papers. Too much light ink is a problem for many papers. > > On my web page, the newer inksets tend to be those on the top of the index. > Given the progress that is being made in this technology, I'd tend to favor > the new over the old. I don't know how the FS even with PK will do on Crane > Silver Rag, but I, personally, would definitely want an inkset that does > well on that paper. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael > > Kitei > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:50 AM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] UT-2 vs. UT-FS / FSN > > > > What a disappointment. When I saw the FSN UT set I assumed that it > > was the solution to a totally neutral grey. Then when I saw that you > > had created a downloadable curve for it I figured you supported it, > > so I bought two sets. I guess there's a lesson there. > > > > Mike > > On Aug 25, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Paul Roark wrote: > > > > > The FS inksets (now called UT-FS) are monotone inksets that were > > > made as > > > clones of the PiezoBW inksets such that they could be used with > > > that driver, > > > which I once used. The light inks (M & Y positions) are not Epson > > > standard > > > densities, and particularly the M position ink is an odd-ball > > > density that I > > > don't think makes sense with modern printers. (The Y position ink > > > still is > > > useful in the 3000 and 7000 class of printers.) The UT-FS inksets > > > use the > > > same basic pigments as the UT2 (aside from the UT2 sepia, which > > > includes > > > some yellow, which is a relative weakling), and would, thus, be > > > about as > > > archival as the UT2 inkset when all but the sepia curves are used. > > > There is > > > no FS-Carbon, however. The warmest the FS inkset can go is medium > > > warm. > > > The FS has 50% of the cool pigments in it as the FSN. > > > > > > I at one point made monotone curves so that the FS inksets could be > > > used on > > > many hextone printers. It was an early attempt at an easy-to-use > > > inkset. I > > > would not do that now with the 1280. > > > > > > I do not have a 1280, but I would seriously consider the UT-R2 > > > inkset for it > > > if you don't need sepia. The UT-R2 is intended as the "EZ" inkset > > > for all > > > hextone and above Epson printers. For most people a monotone inkset > > > that > > > can be used with either the Epson sliders or the Epson driver with > > > a simple > > > monotone curve or ICC made with Roy's "Create ICC" program makes > > > the easiest > > > to live with system. The use of all of the inks (as opposed to the > > > sepia > > > (Y) ink being shut off) also will produce a better print on many > > > printers. > > > > > > I don't know what MIS sales look like, but if I were running that > > > company > > > I'd seriously consider stopping selling all UT-FS inksets except > > > bulk Y > > > position for the older printers. (Perhaps special order pints or > > > more of > > > the others.) The R2 in bulk can do almost everything. A 1280 with > > > spongeless cart and R2 inks might be an interesting affordable 13" > > > solution. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/> > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Craig > > > Roberts > > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:38 AM > > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [Digital BW] UT-2 vs. UT-FS / FSN > > > > > > I've been using MIS UT-2 inksets with Paul's workflows and curves > > > in my > > > Epson 1280 and am very pleased with the results. I was wondering, > > > however, if -- flexibility of tone aside -- what the difference > > > between > > > a UT-2 and an UT-FS or FSN inkset is. Are the resulting prints the > > > same > > > with regard to range and longevity? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Craig > > > Washington, DC > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > > membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > > the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > > section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii)
> > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >