In a message dated 11/6/06 6:38:46 AM, diana@... writes: > > How was the Digital B/W get together? > Perhaps someone will write a more comprehensive answer (though no one was volunteering!) but here's an overview from someone without a horse in the race, in that I didn't bring a print of the selected image (I tuned out on that process when the discussions started getting complicated; too much else to do before the show). The "A" prints were supposed to be straight prints from the file, all on the same paper at the same size. There was some variation in the interpretation of what "straight" meant. I was first taken by how much variation there was in the densities in the prints. I expected tonality differences (after all, there were some non-neutral systems used), and detail differences in dithering (yes, loupes were brought out for examination). But you could look at the wall full of prints from several feet away, and they were strikingly different. It wasn't the d-max, though one or two were notably weaker (Piezo sepia most notably); it was differences in what densities various sections of the image showed. What was over 50% in one print might be 25% in another. There was no stepped gray ramp included at the edge of the image, but if there had been, graphs of the measurements from the ramps on the various systems would have been all over the map, and never linear. Another thing that interested me was that, while the prints were not rated in any way (everyone was too polite to share any observations that might hurt the feelings of the participants present) the straight 2400 AWB print came very close (to my eye) to matching the best neutral print there. Certainly closer to it than any other two were to one another. Gives me further hope for RIPless solutions. There was a "B" series that were "interpretive" versions. I'm not sure that I felt the magic added in the individual interpretations strengthened the images shown, overall. A few might have made stonger images than the "A" version, but being on another wall, it was difficult to tell. The variation in the "B" series was even more striking than the "A" series, which would be expected. So what I took home from this is that there is a striking lack of density management in all the systems present. Certainly a series of color managed color prints from a single image would have been extremely similar under the "A" criteria, and still probably closer than these "B" images under the open rules for the creative versions. It certainly makes a case for linearizing and profiling with a measurement device... On a more social level, it was great to meet the participants, and the restaurant our gracious host selected was a good venue for post-critique discussions, though the group was too large to chat with everyone. Its too bad that geography would keep us from meeting like this more regularly. C. David Tobie Product Technology Manager ColorVision Business Division DataColor Inc. CDTobie@... www.colorvision.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [Digital BW] PhotoPLUS Expo reports?
2006-11-06 by CDTobie@aol.com
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