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Re: [Digital BW] B&W Print Off comments

2006-11-07 by Mark Savoia

For those of us who did not make it, following this thread might be a  
little better if we can see the test image that was used and possibly  
making available for download so we can print it to see how we  
do, ...to compare to comments being made.
Mark

On Nov 7, 2006, at 3:40 PM, Walker Blackwell wrote:

> I agree. I think we all have ways to "optimize" our systems and color
> manage them. I wasn't expecting everything to be the same for the A
> prints though I was a little surprised. I was most interested in 3
> things on the technical end.
>
> 1. Tonal continuity (not necessarily gamma).
> 2. Hue (this was really interesting. props to Tyler and his 5 and
> 6ers.)   We also found out the difference between HP "neutral" and
> Jon Cone "neutral". Jon Cone neutral is somewhere between warm
> neutral and selenium while HP is sort'of around a Piezotone cool-
> neutral. Now if I put an HP set in and a Piezotone Neutral set in I
> could go between Neutral and Neutral.   Great. ;-)
> 3. resolution and sharpness. (That's an issue with soft papers like
> photo rag at times.)
>
> But I was really interested in the interpreted images. Most everyone
> brought the image down (not down in time ala darkroom, down in
> luminance) and added contrast. A few people rounded out the tree
> trunk and the clay building to the right and burned down the right-
> bottom rock that was nearly the lightest thing in the photo (I was
> surprised that so few people did that rock burn). Most kept open the
> shadows under the cliffs. Most burned down the top-left cliffs to
> centralize the image a bit and give more verticality to the tree
> trunk. I noticed a few had dodged the individual steps of the top
> cliff-ladder . . .
>
> what else . . . . . . .
>
> I guess all in all the thing I noticed most was that we were all a
> little wrapped up in technicalities and forgot to talk about just the
> visual clarity and quality of the prints. I almost wanted to see
> everyone focus on each print alone at a time like a formal crit back
> in art school days. I think maybe is was the little time and little
> space. Maybe we all feel more free typing our words than speaking
> them. I would like to see us all get together again for a full day
> and in a larger space . . . .
>
> Anyway, it was a great get-together none the less.
>
> All the best, Walker
>
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