Digital BW, The Print

What will your policy be five years from now if something shifts? How  
long do all of us printers guarantee these things realistically to  
our clients? What wording do we say....."this or that may happen at  
some time". I am perplexed on what to say because we all know certain  
clients want us to predict the future :)
Mark

On Jan 18, 2007, at 2:34 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:

> Mark, of course this is a major concern. It's one obvious argument in
> support of mono inksets. However, so far the stories of differential
> fade and resulting mono prints changing hue all over the place have
> not trickled in.
> So, as much as I think one should use the right tool for the job and
> as much as I use and love mono inksets, I've not used this potential
> problem as an argument in their favor until there's more data to
> support it. There is some longevity evidence to support the mono inks
> I use over the ultrachromes. But it's hard to say how and when these
> mono UC prints may change.
> But certainly not a silly question, it's just the only viable inkset
> to use on this paper available to me right now. I've only played with
> it, and printed on it for one person who likes it. The Portriga clone
> we worked out on it is attractive.
> Tyler
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
> <mark@...> wrote:
>>
>> Silly question, when one of the colors starts to fade (not sure how
>> soon that happens), won't a color cast jump right out in a black and
>> white print made with color inks? It might not happen now, but what
>> if in a few years or a poorly stored or exhibited photo. Should we
>> worry?
>> Mark
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:
>>
>>> I confess I have not really explored how much metmerism was involved
>>> in the prints I've made here.
>>> What I found was that the hue of the Epson K and light Ks on Silver
>>> Rag is very unattractive. So much more use of the color inks is
>>> necessary than one might think to make it work.
>>> The use I liked best was to go with the direction indicated by the
>>> base and move the whole tone towards warm, like Portriga or Forte.
>>> Seemed to work well. Any workflow leaving a good amount of color  
>>> inks
>>> avalable to utilize would probably be most atractive. However  
>>> here I'm
>>> running the lightest K all the way up the scale, which the RGB  
>>> driver
>>> won't allow.
>>> I'm talking UCK3s, not tried anything else on it.
>>> The various RIP options will let you do this of course, and possibly
>>> the ABW driver, I'm just not sure the ABW driver leaves enough color
>>> ink available to tone attractively, but I've not tried it. Also, it
>>> would be of use to change the tone throughout the scale, something
>>> they should put in that driver.
>>> I'm not sure if neutral is a good target use for this paper. I also
>>> found it all had to be done by eye, to taste, a techie aproach  
>>> didn't
>>> take things very far.
>>> So far, under a variety of B&W uses, the Epson K3 blacks have been
>>> mostly a problem to solve, they are unattractive.
>>> Tyler
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "edrudolpho"
>>> <erudolph@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Metamerism.  The print looked greenish-blue.  Previously, under
>>>> tungsten, daylight, even fluorescent, I had seen this print as  
>>>> pretty
>>>> neutral.  The gallery owner and her assistant looked at it.  The
>>>> assistant told me not to worry; that this was a common problem for
>>>> inkjet prints.  I was pretty embarrassed.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Gledhill
>>>> <stephengledhill@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In what way was it simply awful?
>>>>> Steve Gledhill
>>>>> http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk/
>>>>>
>>>>> edrudolpho wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, Steve
>>>> Gledhill
>>>>>> <stephengledhill@> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can only speak for myself - obviously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a superb paper and I use it extensively. Particularly for
>>> large
>>>>>>> prints on my 4800 - with K3 inks, and ABW and QTR-Create-ICC.
>>>>>>> Why? Deep blacks. Warmish creamyish paper colour which I
>>>> particularly
>>>>>>> like for my work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is exactly the workflow I was using (except on a 2400).  
>>>>>> Until
>>>>>> one day I walked into a gallery with a SilverRag
>>> ABW-K3-QTRIcc-printed
>>>>>> print. The print looked simply awful under their lighting. I lost
>>>>>> faith in the all-Epson ABW approach and ordered some MIS  
>>>>>> EZWarm to
>>>>>> replace the yellow ink and rejiggered my ABW settings. I haven't
>>> been
>>>>>> back to the gallery yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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