Digital BW, The Print

FYI... and Cone's PiezoTone inks scratch right off. Too bad.
Mark

On Feb 25, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dmdctusa"
> <dmdornctusa@...> wrote:
>>
>> John wrote:
>>
>> David-
>>> I would be curious to know what the Dmax of this paper is.
>>> -John
>> --------------------------------------
>> John,
>>
>> I have know way of measuring the Dmax, but my eye tells me it is
>> going higher than other matt papers and particlulary, Epson Enhanced
>> matt....
>
> I don't have or use EEM so can't address that directly. Compared to
> HPR and other fine art matte papers here it falls short.
> Quick tests with a 9800 ABW UCK3, and 9600 Piezotones, it's just
> lower, 1.55 for the ABW and 1.6+ with a Cone setup not yet refined for
> this paper. Visually the blacks don't fail to satisfy, they appear  
> rich.
> The paper is thinner than most art papers, and as Mark mentioned bears
> resemblance to EEM in many ways. The surface is different though and
> unique, very smooth, no detectable paper texture, but matte. Sort of
> card like.
> Even though there is implication of a connection with classic silver
> papers because of the use of baryta, it bears no resemblance to any
> silver paper I ever used or have seen, more evidence of the futility
> of attempting to force one process to look like another.
>
> All that said, the paper has a definite appeal. The coating seems to
> hold a very very sharp dot, and the way the ink sits in all this
> complicated mess of coating, baryta, and whatever else may be
> involved, seems to present the image in a very photographic way that
> eliminates the issue of surface almost entirely. It's a very smooth
> look with no "fine art" paper look to it at all, primarily "image
> only". It floats with a subtle dimensional quality with the large
> format image I tried.
>
> The paper doesn't exceed or even meet the specs of the best papers we
> are used to, but I think there are many that would like it a lot for
> photography. It's worth a try if the above sounds appealing to you.
>
> It's always frustrating to receive evaluation samples from many of
> these companies. On the one hand they want a fair evaluation, and on
> the other it seems coughing up enough spare sheets to do so will break
> the bank.
> Media setting tests, with subsequent profiling, for color and ABW with
> the Epson driver, much more if with a RIP, then the amount of work
> needed to linearize and optimize output for a mono set takes a fair
> amount of paper. Also, it's the only way to really see it's potential.
>
> I might take this a little farther with the few small sheets I have
> left, but that's it for now for B&W. Don't get confused with the
> claimed connection to silver paper, or the presence of baryta. It's a
> matte ink paper, with a somewhat unique appealing look appropriate for
> photography.
>
> Tyler
>
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