Hi Ernst, >> Take a close look at the charts at the bottom of >> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4K+.pdf , ... >> I'm not sure there is any way to solve the separation >> problem not only in a large format printers but also >> in continuous feed systems. > ... Strange enough I could keep > a sepia mix of the old Epson Archival pigment > LM + Y very stable ... About the only ink that remained stable. I'm suspicious that the separation issue could be less of a problem with coated pigments. One person I discussed the issue with felt that what was going on was differential affinities among the particles and materials used in the printers -- in particular the tubing. I don't have enough chemistry background to evaluate this, but I think what he was saying is that the different types of pigment particles have different electrostatic attractions to, in particular, the material the tubes are made of. Perhaps the coating tends to equalize this??? This theory is obviously speculation. I tend to simply focus on the bottom line. Although I was able to reverse one tone shift by altering the base formula, when I corrected for one Lab axis, the other one became unstable. I concluded that with enough time I could probably achieve a reasonable balance for an ink that had 2 different pigments in it, but the addition of a third pigment type probably would make the job virtually impossible. As a practical matter, life is too short to mess with this problem. The printers are now good enough that the marginal improvements in smoothness and even more marginal (if any) improvements in lightfastness of the blended inksets are, for me, no longer worth the cost in terms of stability, inability to select the best pigment for each spot, and QC issues. Frankly, I also found that it was simpler to profile rip systems with non-blended inksets. So, while I think the C88 EZ, R2, and other desktop monotone inksets are worth the effort, the UT-3D is probably my last blended variable tone inkset. Particularly since I expect the 3800 - a large format design - to grab a significant part of the serious amateur photo market, I don't want to have the stability issues come back to haunt me on the scale I expect that printer to be sold. Current large format printers in the hands of service bureau experts who use the machines regularly minimizes the problem. Imagine the magnitude of the issue if legions of amateurs have 3800s sitting idle most of the time with a blended inkset. Marketing a pre-filled continuous flow system with a blended inkset through retail stores, where the units sit on the shelves or in inventory for weeks or months, is also not a position I'd wish on anyone. The blended inksets in large format or continuous flow systems only work well when they are regularly used. My experience is that when they sit idle the inks separate (and worse in some continuous flow systems). Paul www.PaulRoark.com
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RE: [Digital BW] Paul's expectations where B&W inksets move to (was new graduated etc)
2007-03-06 by Paul Roark
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