Digital BW, The Print

John N, thanks. Whew again. What you've added seems 90% consistent
with my convoluted analysis. I'm sure you're right and I was wrong
about the survival of the Ilford brand and silver paper, though I
might be right about where it's going to be manufactured. If I was Oji
I'd certainly want Americans to think of me as an old European company
with a Swiss factory :-) 

I doubt coated papers have much of a future for fine inkjet...I think
they'll be replaced by new concepts.  


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sinar001"
<jnolly@...> wrote:
>
> To make it perfectly clear, which it doesn't seem to be--
> Ilford, is a division of Oji. Their US offices are in Springfield, Mass.
> 
> Harman, (the Ilford Executives buyout group in England) markets the
> B&W paper and film only under the Ilford name . Their inkjet offerings
> are their own development & manufacturing, marketed under the Harman
> name, according to Gregg LaNoue of Ilford.
> 
> Could not tell you where Harman's US offices are.
> 
> John Nollendorfs
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43"
> <djon43@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rick...wasn't me... Sinar001 mentioned Boston. 
> > 
> > The way I read it, 1) NO "Ilford" appears to remain in the paper biz
> > (maybe film and paper) 2) the Swiss factory is owned by Oji, a huge
> > Japanese company 3)"Harman" is the buy out group's name for what
> > appears to be a technical design, branding, and distribution company. 
> > 
> > My guess is that Oji manufactures paper for Harman, which might be
> > good news for everybody because Harman could also contract with 
> > cheaper paper manufacturing/coating operations globally (such as in
> > China or Eastern Europe), which would lower prices.
> > 
> > If the "buy out" group played a role in Oji's purchase of the Swiss
> > factory, it might have been as former Ilford executives facilitating
> > the deal as front men. Their payoff might have been the "Harman" name
> > and rights to technology (eg baryta) they created while still working
> > for the late lamented Ilford. 
> > 
> > Whew. That kind of thing was common in the US during the Reagan years,
> > but junk bonds were used back then, whereas the Japanese would have
> > used "carry trade" money, an entirely different game.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Rick Colson
> > <colson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi John -
> > > 
> > > You wrote:
> > > 
> > > "Closed their Bingham, NY shipping & distribution, Closed their New
> > Jersey
> > > office. New US headquarters is in the Boston area. Distribution is
> > through a
> > > 3rd party now."
> > > 
> > > Their September 2006 press release said that the headquarters was
> in NJ.
> > > What makes you believe it to be in the Boston area? (I'm not saying
> > you're
> > > wrong... I just couldn't find any evidence of that. Im an industry
> > > consultant and if it's in Boston (my backyard) I'd like to know.)
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Rick
> > >
> >
>