Digital BW, The Print

Ilford had a paper coating facility in Great Britain.(coated both
inkjet & silver papers) I'm not sure if they coated their film there
also. These British facilities are now owned by Harman. AFAIK, they
are using these facilities to manufacture their inkjet line also, not
contracting the coating out.

As for inkjet papers, it is interesting how these are evolving. If the
companies see any potential market, they seem to be developing these
niche products. It sure would be great if they could develop a true
air-dried non RC paper look. 

John Nollendorfs




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43"
<djon43@...> wrote:
>
> John N, thanks. Whew again. What you've added seems 90% consistent
> with my convoluted analysis. I'm sure you're right and I was wrong
> about the survival of the Ilford brand and silver paper, though I
> might be right about where it's going to be manufactured. If I was Oji
> I'd certainly want Americans to think of me as an old European company
> with a Swiss factory :-) 
> 
> I doubt coated papers have much of a future for fine inkjet...I think
> they'll be replaced by new concepts.  
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sinar001"
> <jnolly@> wrote:
> >
> > To make it perfectly clear, which it doesn't seem to be--
> > Ilford, is a division of Oji. Their US offices are in Springfield,
Mass.
> > 
> > Harman, (the Ilford Executives buyout group in England) markets the
> > B&W paper and film only under the Ilford name . Their inkjet offerings
> > are their own development & manufacturing, marketed under the Harman
> > name, according to Gregg LaNoue of Ilford.
> > 
> > Could not tell you where Harman's US offices are.
> > 
> > John Nollendorfs
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43"
> > <djon43@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Rick...wasn't me... Sinar001 mentioned Boston. 
> > > 
> > > The way I read it, 1) NO "Ilford" appears to remain in the paper biz
> > > (maybe film and paper) 2) the Swiss factory is owned by Oji, a huge
> > > Japanese company 3)"Harman" is the buy out group's name for what
> > > appears to be a technical design, branding, and distribution
company. 
> > > 
> > > My guess is that Oji manufactures paper for Harman, which might be
> > > good news for everybody because Harman could also contract with 
> > > cheaper paper manufacturing/coating operations globally (such as in
> > > China or Eastern Europe), which would lower prices.
> > > 
> > > If the "buy out" group played a role in Oji's purchase of the Swiss
> > > factory, it might have been as former Ilford executives facilitating
> > > the deal as front men. Their payoff might have been the "Harman"
name
> > > and rights to technology (eg baryta) they created while still
working
> > > for the late lamented Ilford. 
> > > 
> > > Whew. That kind of thing was common in the US during the Reagan
years,
> > > but junk bonds were used back then, whereas the Japanese would have
> > > used "carry trade" money, an entirely different game.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Rick Colson
> > > <colson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John -
> > > > 
> > > > You wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > "Closed their Bingham, NY shipping & distribution, Closed
their New
> > > Jersey
> > > > office. New US headquarters is in the Boston area. Distribution is
> > > through a
> > > > 3rd party now."
> > > > 
> > > > Their September 2006 press release said that the headquarters was
> > in NJ.
> > > > What makes you believe it to be in the Boston area? (I'm not
saying
> > > you're
> > > > wrong... I just couldn't find any evidence of that. Im an industry
> > > > consultant and if it's in Boston (my backyard) I'd like to know.)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > >
> >
>