Digital BW, The Print

Thanks, good info about Harman/GB factories. With your additional
tidbits I may now be no more than 25% right :-)

The most silver-looking inkjet paper I know of is Costco Kirkland, 
unfortunately only available lettersized/glossy. Works well with
MIS-UT7 / 2200 / Epson driver. Very cheap, too. 



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sinar001"
<jnolly@...> wrote:
>
> Ilford had a paper coating facility in Great Britain.(coated both
> inkjet & silver papers) I'm not sure if they coated their film there
> also. These British facilities are now owned by Harman. AFAIK, they
> are using these facilities to manufacture their inkjet line also, not
> contracting the coating out.
> 
> As for inkjet papers, it is interesting how these are evolving. If the
> companies see any potential market, they seem to be developing these
> niche products. It sure would be great if they could develop a true
> air-dried non RC paper look. 
> 
> John Nollendorfs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43"
> <djon43@> wrote:
> >
> > John N, thanks. Whew again. What you've added seems 90% consistent
> > with my convoluted analysis. I'm sure you're right and I was wrong
> > about the survival of the Ilford brand and silver paper, though I
> > might be right about where it's going to be manufactured. If I was Oji
> > I'd certainly want Americans to think of me as an old European company
> > with a Swiss factory :-) 
> > 
> > I doubt coated papers have much of a future for fine inkjet...I think
> > they'll be replaced by new concepts.  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "sinar001"
> > <jnolly@> wrote:
> > >
> > > To make it perfectly clear, which it doesn't seem to be--
> > > Ilford, is a division of Oji. Their US offices are in Springfield,
> Mass.
> > > 
> > > Harman, (the Ilford Executives buyout group in England) markets the
> > > B&W paper and film only under the Ilford name . Their inkjet
offerings
> > > are their own development & manufacturing, marketed under the Harman
> > > name, according to Gregg LaNoue of Ilford.
> > > 
> > > Could not tell you where Harman's US offices are.
> > > 
> > > John Nollendorfs
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "djon43"
> > > <djon43@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rick...wasn't me... Sinar001 mentioned Boston. 
> > > > 
> > > > The way I read it, 1) NO "Ilford" appears to remain in the
paper biz
> > > > (maybe film and paper) 2) the Swiss factory is owned by Oji, a
huge
> > > > Japanese company 3)"Harman" is the buy out group's name for what
> > > > appears to be a technical design, branding, and distribution
> company. 
> > > > 
> > > > My guess is that Oji manufactures paper for Harman, which might be
> > > > good news for everybody because Harman could also contract with 
> > > > cheaper paper manufacturing/coating operations globally (such
as in
> > > > China or Eastern Europe), which would lower prices.
> > > > 
> > > > If the "buy out" group played a role in Oji's purchase of the
Swiss
> > > > factory, it might have been as former Ilford executives
facilitating
> > > > the deal as front men. Their payoff might have been the "Harman"
> name
> > > > and rights to technology (eg baryta) they created while still
> working
> > > > for the late lamented Ilford. 
> > > > 
> > > > Whew. That kind of thing was common in the US during the Reagan
> years,
> > > > but junk bonds were used back then, whereas the Japanese would
have
> > > > used "carry trade" money, an entirely different game.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Rick Colson
> > > > <colson@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi John -
> > > > > 
> > > > > You wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Closed their Bingham, NY shipping & distribution, Closed
> their New
> > > > Jersey
> > > > > office. New US headquarters is in the Boston area.
Distribution is
> > > > through a
> > > > > 3rd party now."
> > > > > 
> > > > > Their September 2006 press release said that the
headquarters was
> > > in NJ.
> > > > > What makes you believe it to be in the Boston area? (I'm not
> saying
> > > > you're
> > > > > wrong... I just couldn't find any evidence of that. Im an
industry
> > > > > consultant and if it's in Boston (my backyard) I'd like to
know.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Rick
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>