Digital BW, The Print

Thanks Ernst.  Good report.

I will try the high speed setting.  It never occurred to me that it 
might actually increase the Dmax.

Regards, Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla 
<E.Dinkla@...> wrote:
>
> Louis Dina wrote:
> > I know this is a B&W forum, but I know some of you use the MIS 
Pro Inks 
> > as a replacement for the Epson UC inkset.  Love the price, and my 
> > printer seems to clog less than it used to.  Perhaps it is the 
> > cartridge design or the inks themselves.
> > 
> > Those of you who roll your own profiles, how do the MIS Pro inks 
> > compare in terms of Dmax and color gamut?  I am using a 4000 and 
> > testing these inks currently on Epson EEM and VFA to get a 
comparison.  
> > So far, my tests show less gamut and Dmax on both papers compared 
to 
> > profiles built with UC inks and the same 918 patch test target 
> > (ProfileMaker5 and an Eye One Pro).  Viewed in ColorThink, the 
gamuts 
> > are definitely a little smaller and Dmax is also less.  
> > 
> > Targets were printed at 1440 dpi, SuperX turned off, No Color 
> > Adjustment, slow speed, and all other check boxes turned off.
> > 
> > Any feedback or suggestions?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Lou Dina
> 
> Lou,
> 
> I have used them on an Epson 10000 and a friend has used 
> them on a 9600 and still uses them on a 9800. The MIS 7600 
> version instead of the MIS Pro but there isn't much 
> difference in the pigment load. (we tested the MIS Pro but 
> there were some problems with printing on canvas: after 
> varnish was applied it turned more to yellow than the MIS 
> 7600 did, probably the different ink base). The MIS Pro 
> should be better suited for the Epsons though, less clogging 
> and pigment settling. The MIS magenta pigment is like the 
> 9600 UC magenta but MIS can not get the 9800 K3 magenta 
> pigment. On the 10000 the gamut increased with MIS 7600, on 
> the 9600 there was hardly a difference, on the 9800 some 
> gamut loss in the reds mainly. The last more a result of the 
> lower inklimits of the 9800 and its red biased magenta, the 
> Dmax is also lower on the 9800 with Eboni black printed on 
> Epson coatings but shouldn't be less on HM coatings. With 
> the 10000 and the 9600 the Dmax has been higher with Eboni 
> black on HM coatings than with the Epson inks. My friend 
> used the slider in the 9800 driver to increase the inkload 
> but that's a gamma thing only so does nothing on the Dmax. 
> His reference for the 9800 has been what he could achieve on 
> the 9600's, less to what could be made with the 9800 K3 
> inks. With the 4000 you are more in 9600 UC than in 9800 K3 
> territory. What used to be a problem was some inconsistency 
> between batches of MIS LM inks, a bit too much coloring 
> difference in our experience, MIS considered them to be 
> within specs. Not so nice when you order a gallon from the 
> US to see that you can profile again to get some 
> consistency. I have to say that they did send new jars every 
> time we complained about that issue.
> 
> You could try to use high speed instead for better Dmax, 
> sounds strange but a bit of bleeding may make the black 
> patch a bit more homogene and by that your readings may go 
> up. Any other gain has to come from the paper setting 
> choices, we did HM papers only and the watercolor paper 
> choice was actually the best choice on all three models.
> 
> With the HP Z3100 here the 10000 isn't used anymore, the HP 
> is hard to beat on Dmax and by and by I get an increased 
> gamut on HM PhotoRag (Bright White) (finding the right paper 
> settings + the firmware upgrades). Better than the Epson 
> 4000 gamut on EEM as I'm printing big prints these days with 
> small Epson 4000 UC proofs for reference. Next to other 
> advantages the ink used goes for 99% on the paper which is 
> something we couldn't achieve with any Epson so far. Carts 
> are almost dry inside when empty. That compensates the lower 
> cost of the MIS inks. I'm not going back.
> 
> 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,  Ernst
> 
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