Digital BW, The Print

Krebs,

It was ok to post your complaints the first time, but your continued
reposting and rehashing the same issue obviously is getting on
people's nerves. Please just give it a rest. I'm just as sick of it as
everyone else is.

This is one of the few forums that I participate in that doesn't often
devolve into stick throwing and name calling. Your self proclaimed
bona fides are meaningless when taken in context with your behavior on
this list.

A simple suggestion, don't reply to this post, you've already tried to
explain yourself multiple times. Once more isn't going to help.

Derek

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V.
Image Service" <editor@...> wrote:
>
> Bob Marsolais wrote:
> 
> >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V.
> >Image Service" <editor@> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Ok, this is a PURE printing issue and reportedly ONLY under Windows.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Actually, this is a PURE Adobe issue, which you have posted on
> >multiple non-Adobe specific message boards...
> >
> >Recently some of the Digital B&W and Epson Printer digests have had
> >over 66% of their content related to CS3-specific issues.  
> >
> 1)     Well that's interesting. Because , since I posted my first post 
> on this list regarding the issue, on May 12, there have been exactly 16 
> posts from me out of 131 total posts  onlist during the same period.  
> Doing the math, that comes out to approximately 12%.
> 
> 2)    I set up the EPSON list in 2000 and spend time running it EVERY 
> day, you.. um... don't... I spend time every day moderating: approving 
> posts, approving members, etc. That's while teaching and taking 
> courses.  Got any idea how much dedication it takes BY MYSELF to deal 
> for 7 years with  lists that now total over 10,000 subscribers?  How 
> about monitoring a few hundred posts a day?  Ask the moderators here
how 
> much time it takes and how you always have to make sure someone 
> checks...  even on vacation...
> 
> .and you know what? I'm the ONLY moderator of those groups (others have 
> dropped the ball repeatedly), that means most of the time, I don't have 
> the leisure to  post., meaning I only post when I think it's necessary 
> to get some news out there.
> 
> I don't get free ink from EPSON or the other printer manufacturers. I 
> don't get printer deals from anyone. I don't get a dime from
advertising 
> or YAHOO!  I get virtually NOTHING for running those lists and yet I 
> give my time freely. (My lawyer thinks I should have used the lists to 
> make money long ago, but I have refused, because it isn't in the spirit 
> of why and how the groups were set up.)
> 
> Bottomline?  As unfair as it may sound, that means, at the end of the 
> day, I decide what content gets posted there and what doesn't. I also 
> decide who is allowed to post there, and under what conditions. In
fact, 
> I generally leave people free to post until/unless they engage in 
> personal attacks. If they do, they go.
> 
> If you don't like the EPSON list content, you are free to leave that 
> list. As for this list, it is moderated by others and B&W focusses, 
> therefore I have consciously not posted a good deal of what has been 
> posted over on the EPSON list regarding CS3.
> 
> >Combine
> >that with getting your identical post multiple times from multiple
> >user groups, we non-CS3 users are spending a lot of time filtering
> >through non-B&W printing issues that do not apply to us.  The majority
> >of us probably don't use CS3, but rather CS2 or earlier, Elements,
> >PWP, or something else. 
> >
> That's the reality of having multiple subscriptions. How do you think I 
> deal with that when running four printer lists and moderating a fifth?
> 
> > May I suggest you're stretching beyond proper
> >limits what is appropriate to post on this very topic-specific board?
> >
> >  
> >
> You may suggest it and I appreciate the tone, but Photoshop is still
the 
> pre-eminent image editing program out there. In fact, without it, B&W 
> digital printing would not be where it is today. Again, feel free to
ask 
> the REAL experts like Roark, Clayton or CD Tobie.
> 
> >Respectfully submitted for your consideration,
> >
> >  
> >
> ..and appreciated. Keep in mind that chaff is part of why I generally 
> haven't responded to attacks on my posts: if for no other reason
than to 
> keep posts that have a low signal to noise ratio down.
> 
> Before throwing rocks at the messenger next time (and I don't mean you 
> specifically), it would be nice for people to consider what the 
> messenger has given the community at no cost. Adobe and the printer 
> manufacturers get paid for what they do.  I do it because I give a damn 
> about the user community.  Maybe that's a ridiculously dated and 
> benighted concept in this day of commodification of everything right 
> down to forehead space for advertising, but it's an idea many once
shared.
> 
>  
> Keith Krebs